Understanding Vaccine Causation: Patterns of Side Effects Through Victim Testimonies
The inaugural Understanding Vaccine Causation Conference, convened by World Council for Health Steering Committee Member, Shabnam Palesa Mohamed, took place on Feb. 5, 2022. The WCH Law and Activism Committee brought together legal practitioners, doctors, scientists, and jab victim data and advocacy groups to explore a key question: How are jab adverse events proved?
Avital Livney joined the Data & Advocacy panel to share her presentation, Patterns of Side Effects Through Victim Testimonies. Learn more about her project, The Testimonies Project, here.
[00:00:06] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: And now we are moving on to the third of four sessions for today’s Understanding Vaccine Causation Conference, and that is going to be the data and advocacy section. We’re going to begin with Avital Livney and I did see her in the participants section of the webinar today.
[00:00:25] Avital, if you can hear me, let’s begin with introducing yourself and why you believe this conference on causation is so important before we switch to your topic.
[00:00:35] Avital Livney: Can you hear me now? Great. Okay, so good evening or good morning, wherever you are. Thank you for having me. My name is Avital Livney. I’m the initiator of the Israeli Testimony Project, which is a documentary that I made of injuries after getting the shot, the Pfizer shot in Israel.
[00:00:58] As soon as I saw that in the Israeli media nobody’s going to talk about it. But around me, I started to see more and more people complaining about side effects, very severe ones. So I decided to take the mission on myself. This documentary was published on September. Since then it gets more than 2 million views through the website and we have more than 12 translations already.
[00:01:24] And unfortunately, since I realized that the Israeli government is not going to stop and investigate and they moved on to the children and now they are vaccinating the five-year-old children. I went on with shooting more and more testimonies and trying to focus on the younger people, the teenager, the 20-year-old and so on. And so about our topic.
[00:01:50] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Avital, if I can please introduce it to our participants and indeed viewers from around the world. So Avital has chosen to speak to us on patterns of side-effects through victim testimonies. Very important topic that leads us into understanding causation, from a victim or survivors perspective.
[00:02:10] Avital, you have 15 to 20 minutes followed by Q&A. The mic is yours.
[00:02:14] Avital Livney: So, I’m not a doctor, but when I started to edit the testimonies, I started to see patterns between the testimonies and I could see a clear cut to different categories of side effects. I believe this is what the real doctors and people that deal with data are supposed to do. For example, when they come to a oldest information in the American VAERS. But in Israel, we don’t have this kind of system. So all I had is my project.
[00:02:45] But even in those dozens of testimonies, it was starting to be very clear to my own eyes. I could see the categories dividing to heart problems, neurological problems, skin problems, the burst of, of disease like autoimmune disease, blood clots, vaginal bleedings, and miscarriages.
[00:03:10] And I saw patterns between the cases. And they got stronger when I moved on to the next level of the shootings that I’m doing now. It even came stronger. For example, the heart problems. The majority of the problems that I saw was cardiac arrest and myocarditis, especially with young men and young teenagers.
[00:03:35] So I saw that in the younger cases the myocarditis is happening days after getting the shot days, days to a week, week and a half. I have a 14 year old that got heart attack, after a few days. I have two 15 year old. That got myocarditis a few days after that. 27 year old, also a week later. The older people, the 30 and 40 years old, it’s sometimes it takes like two months.
[00:04:03] They all said it right after getting the shot, they felt, they felt like pressure on the heart and disorder in the heartbeat and the race, but they never paid attention to it until the inflammation got stronger, and they got high fever, sometimes getting their feet paralyzed or the jaw paralyzed, and then they were rushed to the hospital and they were diagnosed with the myocarditis.
[00:04:28] So I saw clear patterns there. Also with vaginal bleedings with women. It happens hours, maximum days after getting the shot. Even if they got period a few days before they would get the bleedings. And then you have like two categories. You have the one that have the strong bleedings and every time they get period, it is strong, long leading for like two weeks with blood clots. And it gets sometimes even sooner and sooner earlier and earlier.
[00:05:00] I just shot a testimony two weeks ago of a young woman that now she gets her period every two weeks. And the other group is the one that’s got the massive bleeding in the beginning and since then they almost don’t have a period. They can wait for a few months until they get a period and then it’s very, very weak and slow as if they’re losing their fertility. This is what they’re saying.
[00:05:26] Also blood clots. The ones that got the blood clots in the heart or in the lungs, it happens weeks after, right after getting the vaccination, weeks like a week or two. But the ones that get it in the legs, it will happen two months or three months after getting the shot. They would wake up suddenly in the middle of the night. Their foot is swollen and red and, and very aching. And I had one case that he was diagnosed with a blood clot, two meter long in his artery, in his leg. It was diagnosed two months after getting the shot.
[00:06:05] Skin problems, mostly or right away, but also in the following month, two months, three months. I also saw that you had things that were similar in all the categories and all the cases, complaints that everybody’s saying the same thing.
[00:06:22] The most they’re the major, the most major thing is that they all complain about having a very severe fatigue. How severe? I have a young mother, but she says that since you got the shot, she cannot take her young son out of the bath. People complained that they cannot, they have heavy feet, heavy arms. They cannot go up the stairs. If they, they make a short activity, simple, something simple, they have to rest for a few hours. This is, I think all of them says that. What I heard from a few people is I feel like I got older in 20, 30 years since I got the shot.
[00:07:06] Also something that is going, almost in all of the testimonies, is numbing of the fingers, a sensation of like electricity going in, in the fingers, in the toes. This is usually happened because of blood clots, but microscopic blood clots that they don’t even aware of. But this is similar, everybody shares those, symptoms. Almost all the testimonies that I, that I got.
[00:07:38] And I see this patterns and I’m trying to let people know about it. And I see now that many people now start to reach me and to ask me, did you see case of that, and that, and that? And immediately I can give them five, ten cases of the same thing.
[00:07:57] The neurological problems, many of them, it started with something in the head, like an ear infection or aches here in the sinuses. Severe headaches. And then it goes to the neck and down, and then it starts to move to the whole body. And then they started to lose their functionability in hands or legs or paralyze, and then sometimes problems with the brain. But it all started with, with something in head. And many of them complain about a severe aches in the neck and down, and also in the, in the arm, the arm of the injection also. And it goes on and on and on and on.
[00:08:43] If you have questions for me, because I want to leave room to answer, I would love to answer some questions.
[00:08:51] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you, Avital. So I will be moderating the session while my colleague Michael Alexander reaches Ted Kuntz from the Vaccine Choice Canada. There is a question in the Q&A. Simon Powell asks, what kind of skin problems have you seen, Avital? Many thanks.
[00:09:11] Avital Livney: It’s a, it’s very, how can I say, like a violent, very violent rash, rash all over the body. That it’s also with little, I don’t know how to say it, like a little bumps with, with the, I don’t know the word for it. But it’s like when you have liquid under the skin, like bubbles, like little bubbles under the skin, very, painful, burning sensation, itching sensation.
[00:09:43] I had one lady, she had it all over her body and she used to take, five showers, five times a day. Hot showers, was just to try to calm herself down because nothing helps.
[00:09:56] So this is the kind of the skin problems. Very red, really like burning. Some of them even look like they had like acid poured on their hands. It looks really, really bad. This is the kind of skin problems that I saw.
[00:10:13] Also because it’s in the same category, even though I’m not sure if this is what he meant, but also a problem with losing hair. Young men with full hair, suddenly they have bald areas in their head. Like the body is attacking itself, the skin or something, I don’t know. But this is also in the skin category. I have it a lot.
[00:10:39] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you, Avital. Another question from Philippa Davies, was unexplainable, weight loss, ever an effect observed?
[00:10:48] Avital Livney: I saw a lot of losing weight, but usually it has to do with diarrhea and throwing up, which also many people have. And also, they don’t have any appetite because they’re in such a bad condition. Also a lot of digesting problems. People that had problems before. This is also similar by the way, any problem that somebody had before getting the shot, got increased a hundred times more, once he got the shot. Any problem, if it’s blood pressure that was under control. If it’s the endometriosis that suddenly burst, if it’s a cancer that used to be before and suddenly boom, and it, and it’s really lethal, like a one month and the person is gone.
[00:11:37] So also digestive problems. So I saw a lot of weight loss, but it has to do with problems of eating and throwing up and diarrhea, stuff like that.
[00:11:50] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: All right. There’s another question in the Q&A. I will try to spot questions in the chat, but if you can please post them in the Q&A, it makes it so much easier.
[00:12:00] Irina Lohas asked, how did you come to know about the injured people? In France, we have virtually no officially declared side effects. How can we overcome this and find out about injured people? Avital?
[00:12:13] Avital Livney: Okay. I found them in groups, in closed groups in Facebook. It’s special groups for people who got injured after getting the vaccination. In Israel, everybody gets Pfizer. So it’s very easy to compare. So I just got inside and I saw that if somebody posted a post, for example, I was feeling after vaccination a real pressure on my heart, like I’m going to die. And I wake up in the middle of the night, does anybody else experience the same thing?
[00:12:40] You would see right away hundreds of comments of people saying, yeah, I had the same. I had it a little bit different. And this is where I found all the people. I just, whenever I saw a very strong testimony that they, as we say, clear cut, or something that happened right after the getting the shot or somebody who was completely healthy and something terrible happened to him.
[00:13:03] I would reach them through messenger, introduce myself. And I told them that I’m doing this project. And in order to give them the confidence to come out, because people are afraid to speak. They are afraid that they will be considered as anti-vax, even though they got the shot. So I told them that I gave them, I gave them my word that I will not publish anything before I have 40 testimonies. And this is how I got the people. But the groups is the place to find, all the, all the cases.
[00:13:34] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Let’s have a look at the chat to look at some other comments and questions here for you, Avital. Mark Jacobs says, thank you, you are a hero for standing in the gap for all of these victims. Jessica Rose, something that freaked me out about the balding issue is that this is a symptom of radiation sickness.
[00:13:54] Avital Livney: I’m sorry, I didn’t hear you.
[00:13:57] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Jessica Rose says that what freaked her out about the balding is that it is a symptom of radiation sickness. Did you hear that, Avital?
[00:14:06] Avital Livney: I didn’t hear you. As a symptom of radiation? I didn’t get it.
[00:14:10] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Balding seems to be a symptom of radiation sickness. You don’t have to comment on that, but it is an observation from Dr. Jessica Rose and she’s posted her Substack link for the dermatologist. I think on that topic in particular.
[00:14:25] Here’s another question from Michael Alexander. Avital, what portion of the population is waking up to the adverse events?
[00:14:34] Avital Livney: What portion of a population, I’m sorry, is what?
[00:14:37] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: How many people are waking up to the fact that they are adverse events from the injection?
[00:14:43] Avital Livney: I cannot say it in percentage, but I think they’re waking up because you can see it by the rate of vaccination. And the first in the first vaccination of the two shots, the first two doses, you got almost five and a half million people who got it.
[00:15:00] Israel is 9.2 million people in total. And out of them, at least in the first stage, 2 million did not go on to the booster. So they had second thoughts about it. Some of them gave up later on because they wanted to have the green passport or to be able to work. But also in the vaccination of the children, in the Israeli government eyes, it’s a total failure. The parents are not taking the children in a high percentage to get vaccinated. So I think people are getting more and more aware.
[00:15:35] And, while in the first testimonies, I would shoot somebody talking only about himself, now I have testimonies of a person that talks about himself and another four members of all his family that got hurt. Like a friend from the work, and I know my best friend’s daughter, and stuff like that.
[00:15:53] So it becomes more and more. And also, I know personally, I’m an actress in my profession before the Covid burst into our lives. And I know a friend of mine, an actress, she was perfectly okay. And only five months after she got the shot, now she started to experience a vaginal bleedings and problems.
[00:16:16] So you have more and more people, I think that know already somebody who got hurt after getting the shot.
[00:16:26] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Just check it there are any other comments and questions here for you, Avital. And of course, if we missed any, Avital, I’m hoping you can engage them once your session is complete.
[00:16:41] So Avital Livney presented at the General Assembly of the World Council for Health. I believe it might’ve been January, Avital?
[00:16:49] Avital Livney: Yeah. Yes. I have to tell you that I don’t keep track because I’m trying to say yes to everybody who wants to interview me in order to take the information outside. You will know about it. So I gave interviews also to Australia and Canada and United States. And some people like you, they asked me to come the second time to give them an update of what’s going on in Israel. But I think maybe it was around the January might be, I don’t remember. Too much work for all of us.
[00:17:25] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: It is indeed, but valuable work at the same time and we want to thank you for that. Last week we had Rema, Ria and Dana, I think it was the, from the No More Silence organization. A very powerful interview as well. So certainly we welcome groups and organizations that are focused on the data, as well as the advocacy. And certainly this is a crucial part of this causation conference, because the lawyers among us, the scientists, and the doctors, and civil society as a whole, needs the data and advocacy groups to come into this conversation. Without whom I think it would be more difficult to prove causation.
[00:18:07] And I think it goes beyond the numbers, it goes to the stories of the survivors. It goes to the lives lost of the victims. It’s much more than statistics. Your comment, Avital?
[00:18:19] Avital Livney: Yes, I have people ask me how do I keep on doing it? Because I get in touch with the people that got hurt, and it’s heartbreaking. I try to do my work and to bring, you know, the stories outside, but every once in a while something hits you bad. Usually, for example, when I made the documentary, there was a young mother, her name is Haya, she has three young children. And the oldest is my age. He’s the same age as my son, 10 years old.
[00:18:54] And she got hurt really bad. She has her face paralyzed, crooked to the side, and her right leg is not functioning. She was such an active and positive woman, and she’s not able to do anything now. And she looks very bad because of the crooked face. And she was saying in her testimony, and it broke me, that in the end of the year, they had that celebration in a school and she wanted to come and bring watermelon or something. And a son told her, no, no, you’re not coming. So she told him why? He said, no, my friends will say, yeah, I don’t want them to see you. And she broke my heart. I was editing the testimony and I didn’t see what’s on the screen because I was crying. She said, so what’s ahead? That’s it, I will stay at home and not go out? He has parties. He has wedding. He has life. I will stay at home all the time because he’s ashamed of me.
[00:19:49] And so every once in a while, there’s this testimony that just break you. But we have to, we have to, to go on and to do our work and to bring those stories, other people to realize that it’s not numbers, it’s people that they had wonderful life before and their life are ruined. They lost everything. She said in, she’s in the opening of the documentary, she said, I want to go back to what I’ve been before and I know that it will never happen. She’s she’s she’s and she’s an amazing woman, an amazing woman, really. And all the cases are really heartbreaking, heartbreaking.
[00:20:35] But I have to say that now I fear the most from the cases of the children. I didn’t get here to, to make a testimony of the child or the child’s family. I just had like a relative and talking about her cousin’s son that had a heart attack. But if I would see the case, my own eyes, I can’t with children. It’s, it’s too difficult for me.
[00:20:59] The children is the reason why I started this project because once the Israeli government started to vaccinate the teenagers, 16 to 18, you could see where they are heading to go younger and younger and younger. And that’s when I started the project in order to stop it and to save the children. So far, I didn’t manage to stop it, but at least I hope that I managed to get people more aware of what is happening and to decide not to do this to their children.
[00:21:33] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: So certainly what is happening goes beyond even the physical adverse effects, injuries, and death, or the effect on the mental health of people that we’re also seeing here in South Africa via the SAVAERS reporting system.
[00:21:49] But what you were describing is the psychosocial life of this human being, their ability to interact, to be a normal, healthy, happy person, to be able to work. So they lose this. Of course there’s massive implications, even in terms of court cases, because it’s not only pain and suffering, it’s income loss, and in a way, their disability, it’s a lifetime. Indeed.
[00:22:11] And where lives are lost, it’s the families that are left behind. Avital, is this some sort of resistance building in Israel, to the government that is not stopping with this program, despite what survivors and the families of victims and the doctors who are speaking out are saying. Is there any resistance?
[00:22:33] Avital Livney: Unfortunately, I feel that Israel is way behind the rest of the world in terms of demonstrations and going out to the streets. I am very disappointed by that, but I think the resistance is in the action because, once they’re not vaccinated children, it’s for me its great resistance. Also, they were trying to make it very, very difficult on the unvaccinated children in school in order to pressure the parents to vaccinate them.
[00:23:03] So if they get a in touch with somebody who is infected, the vaccinated children could go back to school after one day with a negative test, but the unvaccinated have to stay isolated at home for extra five, seven days. Which make the parents stay at home also not able to go to work.
[00:23:22] So many parents broke. They gave up because they have to work just in order to take their children out of the isolation. But I think as a result, parents got really, really angry. I know that from the beginning of the year, we have two and a half million children in Israel from age zero to 18, 500,000 of them got out of the education system of Israel this year. Half a million children, their parents took them out because they were not willing to cooperate with what’s going on in the schools. It’s like a military zone. So I think it says a lot. And also you see that in every extra booster or thing that goes, they start in the vaccination, you see less and less people go with it.
[00:24:10] People realize that it will never end. And also with what happening in Canada right now. We are also in Israel, there’s also an intention to take part in this truckers movement and to do something similar in Israel. And then I hope it will, it will succeed. We have to make it succeed.
[00:24:36] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Well, we certainly hope for health and freedom for people from your part of our beautiful planet. Can you just mention the name of the website if people would like to go and have a look?
[00:24:47] Avital Livney: Yes, of course. It’s called vaxtestimonies.org. And you have it translated there in 12 different languages. You have the main documentary there, below you have the new testimonies.
[00:25:02] Most of them already translated also to English. And that’s it. Spread, spread the word. Let people know what’s going on in Israel.
[00:25:13] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you very much, Avital Livney, for joining us today at the Understanding Vaccine Causation Conference of the World Council for Health. We look forward to engaging you more in future. Take Care.
[00:25:25] Avital Livney: Thank you very much.
[00:25:26] Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you very much.