Covid Positive News Interviews Dr Tess Lawrie
On Saturday, March 19, the Telegram channel Covid Positive News interviewed Dr Tess Lawrie.
[00:00:05] Robito: Okay, so hello everyone. So, if we just quickly introduce ourselves first. So I’m Robito and this is Lucie and our backgrounds are, I work as a tutor for critical thinking at a university in the UK and I’m also an online hypnotherapist. Lucie is a social worker and talk therapist and artist also.
[00:00:30] We created Covid Positive News just over two months ago. And our focus really is on developing a positive mindset, body, and spirit, but also how to develop a positive outlook so that as a community, we can create positive change. And we are here today with someone we admire very much, Dr. Tess Lawrie.
[00:01:00] So if we just quickly introduce Dr. Tess Lawrie, and she’s the founder of EBMCsquared, or Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy, as well as BiRD, which is the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development Initiative, and also co-founder of the World Council for Health.
[00:01:23] We’ve been following Dr. Tess Lawrie for a while. She’s very inspirational. She speaks out publicly for medical freedom. She’s spoken at the Defeat the Mandates March in DC and also the Canadian Freedom Convoy, made videos through the World Council for Health there. Also an advocate for Ivemectin. Perhaps some people, or perhaps everyone here, has seen the short film that’s been made in collaboration with Oracle Films called A Letter to Dr. Andrew Hill, trying to get out the facts and the truth about Ivermectin and the misinformation that’s been going on throughout the pandemic there. Also, Dr. Lawrie has also been writing letters to the UK government through, let me get this right, the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency to try and get the yellow card data vaccine damage out there as well.
[00:02:29] And with the World Council for Health also, there’s lots of articles there on health and wellbeing, but more recently an open letter challenging the World Health Organization’s plan to create a kind of global initiative, a global plan on how to deal with pandemics in the future, which also includes biosurveillance and digital vaccine IDs and things like this.
[00:03:00] So, we’re super excited to be joined here today with Dr. Tess Lawrie. She said that it’s okay for us to call you Tess, so hi Tess.
[00:03:10] Dr Tess Lawrie: Please do. Thanks very much for inviting me, Robito and Lucie. I actually have to say I’ve been so impressed with what you’re doing, it’s just a breath and fresh air to receive that Covid positive news and, you know, in the inbox. And it’s so important to be spreading a positive message at this time. So thank you very much.
[00:03:31] Robito: Thank you too. Yeah, well, it’s really, we feel, so important to be able to develop a positive mind, body, spirit, kind of to really be healthy within ourselves, so that we can then, as a community, work with other people to, to get to with, with the focus for a positive outcome.
[00:03:59] Dr Tess Lawrie: Yeah, I think it’s really important in this time of sort of, you know, fear based propaganda to remember that one actually can’t lose anything that really belongs to you. So there’s really no need for any anxiety.
[00:04:11] Robito: Yeah. So what we’d like to do is just ask you a few questions, if that’s okay, for the next kind of 30 minutes, and then we’ll open it up to anyone else.
[00:04:20] And the first question we’d like to ask is, how did you get involved in all of this? How did it all come about that you started all these initiatives and ended up getting involved in this movement for medical freedom, medical transparency, and informed consent, and things like this?
[00:04:41] Dr Tess Lawrie: Hmm. And when I had you know, I have been concerned for, I would say many years, just the way that healthcare was going and not just healthcare, but the way we live. And it just seemed like, you know, we were heading down a dead end road really with our lives, just becoming more and more difficult. And then Covid came along and it just seemed, you know, everything just seemed to escalate.
[00:05:07] And I obviously was hoping for an opportunity to be, be of service. Because I have, my background is in evidence synthesis and I’m a medical doctor. And so I was really just waiting for the moment to, to you know, to leap in and be useful. And the moment came with Ivermectin when evaluated the evidence had a rapid systematic review in December 2020. And realized that in actual fact there was sufficient evidence for Ivermectin to be recommended for prevention and treatment of Covid.
[00:05:48] And so I set about on this, on it turned out to be a journey. I thought it would be, you know, just a week or two of my life to get the message through to the authorities. And and it ended up you know, really changing my life. And I would say in a positive way because it really has. And I really am embracing this opportunity for change. And I kind of, I got a mandate because by, from the public I’ll call it, it’s not really, I wouldn’t say a mandate, but I got the, the support from the public because I was working basically on a voluntary basis for a couple of months. And and we just couldn’t give the message to the authorities. We couldn’t, we weren’t, you know, we, we just couldn’t get the, get treatment to, to people. And, and there was a lot of suffering and Covid, a lot of Covid cases. And it was clear that early treatment was a key.
[00:06:49] And so we put out a call, we put up a crowd for funding page and and we got funds from the, from, from the public. And it really just felt like, you know, there you go, Tess, there, you’re doing something useful, carry on doing what you’re doing.
[00:07:03] And so with that money, we set up EBMCsquared, which is a community interest company. Not for profit. And it’s really a company that has been co-created with the public.
[00:07:14] I saw in your, in your, in your in, on the ad, it said that, you know, that I had formed this company, but it really is co-creation project. And through that we formed BiRD, the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development Initiative, which is now BiRD International. And we really were advocating for Ivermectin and early treatment to be approved.
[00:07:38] And we still struggled. We just kept coming up against a brick wall. And so, you know, the next step was just to say, look, the authorities are not listening. We need a bigger platform. In fact, it wasn’t just, the authorities were not listening on early treatment. At that stage by middle of 2021, there were sufficient evidence to show that the vaccines were not safe.
[00:08:02] And so, you know, it really seemed like the authorities were not protecting the public, and we realized we needed a bigger platform and we needed to actually reach the public directly. And so we established World Council for Health.
[00:08:19] I see one of my colleague steering members is on the call today, Dr. Jennifer Hibberd. I thank her for her support here today and also way back then. And it was really just a seed and, you know, it was the seed. I suppose it was the seed from the crowd funding from BiRD and then to World Council for Health. And World Council for Health is now, you know, we now have 130 plus partners around the world, partner organizations, all health focused independent scientists, doctors, lawyers, human rights activists, organizations that are all stepping up at this time to support the public and to provide a united voice to empower the public to, not only with their health to help them make informed choices, but also to help them make sense of what’s going on.
[00:09:19] Robito: Yeah. It’s amazing that it’s it’s, that it’s such a growing coalition of lawyers, scientists, doctors, civic advocacy organizations. It’s amazing that well, it kind of leads in a little bit to our second question because my second question was really going to be, or our second question, was really going to be about kind of what are the exciting developments and things that are happening, but there’s something that we feel quite passionate about.
[00:09:58] And we noticed in the open letter about the World Health O rganization, that it starts out somewhere with, while the world is being diverted or the world’s attention is being diverted. And that’s not to say, like, we don’t want to criticize or or we, you know, we would say it’s important to unravel the truth about what’s going on in the world.
[00:10:24] But it seems like, the positive now about what’s happening with Covid after all of this has been unraveled, is that now the truth is coming out. So now you’ve got the truth about actual Covid-only deaths, you’ve got the truth about the studies coming out about the lockdowns, and the masks, and the detrimental effects that they’ve had. The vaccine damage is now starting to come out.
[00:10:54] So, it seems to us that the Covid story, really, is only just starting. If we focus now on autonomy over our own body, over our own mind, over our own spirit, and stay focused on reclaiming our freedoms. I don’t know if you’ve got anything you’d like to say about that.
[00:11:14] Dr Tess Lawrie: Yes. I think it’s very easy. You know, people have been manipulated much. So, you know, in the beginning we all told, well, there’s this terrible virus, and pandemic, and we all need to be absolutely fearful for the virus and of each other and, and you know, be locked up and quarantined and masked and tested and all of that stuff, which was all very terrifying.
[00:11:36] We were not given clear instructions on how to keep ourselves safe. In fact, most of the strategy was not evidence based and very confusing. And then the goal posts keep changing all the time. So, you know, this is okay, but not for that, you know. And so people have really been yanked around and then and, and it’s been Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid and now all of a sudden there’s there’s trouble in Ukraine and, and Russian and Europe. And there’s very little about Covid, just as there’s concern rate rising about the vaccine harms. As well as there’s this WHO pandemic treaty.
[00:12:22] So people are totally distracted and they just haven’t you know, they, they haven’t been given the information certainly on either of those matters. And you know, the World Council for Health is really very determined to get the information and raise awareness about this pending WHO pandemic treaty among the public, because it’s certainly not in mainstream media.
[00:12:49] Robito: Yeah. Yeah. I was just looking for, I actually wrote down a sentence from one of your Substack posts called One Year In. You wrote, we must use the mismanaged Covid crisis to drive the great change that is desperately and urgently needed. And it feel, I mean, obviously in New Zealand, in Australia, in Canada and in the states, the Covid pandemic is for all the mandates are far from over. Some of them are now being kind of removed, but it feels like in some countries in Europe, I mean, for example, in the UK now they’ve ended all restrictions, the borders are open again. There’s kind of this relief that okay, Covid is now over and you know, we’ve unraveled the truth. It’s all coming out. It’s all over. We can and relax.
[00:13:42] Whereas, now is the time that we can inform others that we can show people. There’s a recent article in the Spectator. I think the Washington Post has written something about the lack of good communication from the CDC. And it seems that now is the time that we can use what’s coming out to really let other people know that some would say, you know, have not yet awoke, are not yet awake, or that they’re not critically thinking or that they haven’t kind of really grasped to the extent of the situation that we’re in. But we can use this now to really mobilize around this idea of freedom is quite a broad term, what we’ve been talking about is autonomy, autonomy over our own bodies, minds, and spirits, but really self-governance over ourselves.
[00:14:35] And that this is really an opportunity now to, to co-create, to join together and to, to stay focused and to mobilize more and more. I dunno if I’m repeating myself now.
[00:14:47] Dr Tess Lawrie: No, no, I totally agree with you. We really need keep that vision of how we would like to live and not lose it. Because particularly with this WHO pandemic treaty, it will give WHO the authority to declare a pandemic, you know, whenever they feel it’s, you know, it’s appropriate. And they can choose the definition of the pandemic. They can choose the name of the disease and the name of the virus. They can choose the quarantine and lockdown measures. And they can choose what type of tests get done and what the thresholds of the tests are. We know that the PCR were tests were an absolute scandal.
[00:15:34] So with this treaty, they can actually exercise measures that affect the daily lives of every single one of us. And we could lose it like that.
[00:15:47] So, the treaty is due to be confirmed in 2024, but if there’s another terrible virus around the corner and we know that that’s quite possibly the case know they could, they could scale it up to scale up the timeframe because they seem to be a law unto themselves.
[00:16:03] If I could just say they also don’t seem to realize they’ve done a really bad job. So it’s quite astonishing that they think that that we, the people of the world, should desire them to have more authority than they’ve had this time around. If anything, you know, they should not be listened to, and we need a total overhaul of that organization because it is clearly under, you know, it’s not acting in the best interest of the public.
[00:16:36] Robito: Yeah, absolutely. Would you go, would you go as far as to say, I think you did mention this in that short film, A Letter to Dr. Andrew Hill, would you go as far as to say that, if Ivermectin had been available right from the beginning that vaccines, lockdowns, masks, all of these things wouldn’t have been necessary at all?
[00:17:02] Dr Tess Lawrie: Yes, absolutely. Because Ivermectin works for prevention and treatment. It actually reduces transmission and the vaccines don’t reduce transmission. So if we’d had Ivermectin back then in January 2021, they would not have been able to approve all these developmental drugs. You know, all of these drugs, molnupiravir, paxlovid, sotrovimab, remdesivir. All of those were only authorized, given emergency use authorization, because there was no suitable, no adequate established alternative. And that goes for the vaccines as well. And then of course, you know, the lockdowns and so on wouldn’t have be necessary because you know, it would’ve been a simple matter.
[00:17:51] For the UK, for example, they could have just posted Ivermectin to everyone in the country and said, keep this in your medicine cupboard, along with zinc and vitamin D and C. And this was done in, not posted, but you know, in countries like certain states of India and El Salvador, Honduras, they actually, and Peru, they actually delivered these kits to the people who needed them.
[00:18:14] Or you could go to a test and treat and, pick up your own little kit. And and for very low cost, the UK government could have prepared everybody in the event that they got sick. And that would’ve stopped Delta in its tracks, and everyone could have got on with their lives.
[00:18:32] Instead, they’ve brought in these vaccines, which have actually pushed the virus to mutate. And so we’ve had this runaway chasing, chasing this runaway of virus, which you know, which can mutate very easily. And then, and then they’re suggesting using the same vaccines again, to, to prevent, you know, prevention.
[00:18:56] So it doesn’t make any sense. And, and it certainly doesn’t make any sense to take any more of these injections because there was no studies done on the effects of boosters. So even, even if you say, okay, they had some evidence for the first two, there’s no evidence for the third or fourth or fifth.
[00:19:13] And and there’s certainly evidence now to show that the more you take, the more likely one’s immune system will struggle with the impact of this meddling with the immune system, which is basically what these gene-based vaccines are doing.
[00:19:34] Robito: Knowing kind of a background information about what’s happening with Ivermectin now, do you see this coming out as a scandal? Do you see it going public at this present moment?
[00:19:45] Dr Tess Lawrie: There’s still enormous pushback and we have no control over the mainstream media. The mainstream media is totally complicit in the narrative that we are being fed. If they’re a propaganda tool used by governments and whoever is influencing governments to introduce these drugs and tests and strategies.
[00:20:09] What I can say is that there is more and more coming out and there’s a huge, there is, there is a, there is a wave of information if you know where to find it, coming out in the alternative media. I mean, just on that point, I would highly recommend that disengage from mainstream media almost entirely because it cannot be trusted. The BBC, the, the any, any of the anyone mentioned any of those media mentioned in the Trusted News Initiative. You know, even Reuters, they have huge conflicts of interest, competing interests, with either staff that have moved from from drug companies or they have shares and interests and so on. Or that they’re paid grants by donors that have interests in big pharma and big tech.
[00:21:00] So, one needs to be very careful about what you put into your, into your body and your brain. And be very selective about where you get your news and your information. If I could just say quickly, there is a wonderful news initiative in the UK called News Uncut. And and they’re on Substack. And that is a group of independent journalists who are writing real news for the public. So I do hope that people will look them up and read their work.
[00:21:35] Robito: What, what gives us hope is, but I’ve forgotten his name now. We’ve posted on him. He’s Dr. Campbell on YouTube. A popular doctor on YouTube. And he’s done two videos, one on the Pfizer report that came out because of the freedom of information, the court case, sorry, with the nine pages of side effects.
[00:21:56] And he’s done another video on an African study on Ivermectin, concluding that both of these are scandals. And his videos haven’t been deleted from YouTube yet. Maybe they will be, I don’t know. But I think the way that he’s getting away with it is because he’s only referring to studies. And so those . Studies are public and he’s not engaging too much in kind of discussing subjective opinion.
[00:22:26] So, so there is kind of a sign there that this information is getting out and that it is going public, which does give us a bit of hope about. And also with the as I said, the Spectator and there are some newspapers and TV broadcasters that are talking about this stuff.
[00:22:46] Dr Tess Lawrie: I think John Campbell’s work is really valuable because he has a lot of subscribers and right from the beginning he’s been someone who has, really, you know, followed the narrative and he’s you know, he’s supported the vaccine rollout, but he has engaged with the Ivermectin story and also the new drugs that have been put forward.
[00:23:09] And I think his opinion is really, really valuable. And I would urge people to go and have a look at his videos.
[00:23:16] Robito: Yeah. And he even says in one of the videos, he says that he’s kind of lost trust in authority. And, and the other one, he says that yeah, that this is a scandal, so it’s, it’s.. I don’t know if he already knew, but it seems like he’s realizing from this data, the kind of the situation that we’re really in. As you said, you know, kind of following the narrative in the beginning, supporting vaccines, and then, and then now seeing the data and seeing what’s actually coming out.
[00:23:50] Yeah. So that gives, that gives us hope anyway, that this is now going into the public domain.
[00:23:56] Dr Tess Lawrie: I know that you, you know, Covid Positive News and I feel we are, we are, I don’t want people to, to, to feel you know, despondent by what we are saying. I think if I could just say there definitely is more awareness. I think there are many more people who are questioning the narrative and are making that their positive choice. You know, they’ve had two and they’re not gonna take another one. They’re actually two injections. They are developing more resilience in the face of the propaganda. So.
[00:24:26] Robito: Yeah. So what, what I’d like to, cause yeah, we’ve got about another five minutes before we ask people what questions they have. The last question from us really is and, and we’ve seen also, you’ve got a Substack article. If I can find it. So, what is it, Five Tess Tips on How to Transition from Worrior to Warrior.
[00:24:51] So the last question is, what can people do to stay happy and healthy and not get too stuck in the negativity of the things are happening. But also, something that we are passionate about is, is going within to discover your own skills, your own talents, your own strengths, so that you, as an individual, can do something to participate in this in this yeah, positive inspirational movement that we’ve got right now to kind of reclaim our freedoms.
[00:25:27] Dr Tess Lawrie: Yeah. I think that there’s so many ways and, you know, I have to just highlight that I was always someone who was really, really busy. I never had time to take care of myself. I was always all, all my family. I was always working very late, traveling with work. I did lots of sport, but it was always very competitive sport, you know, on a squash court. And I used to find it very difficult to have just a quiet mind, and many people would you know, would suggest meditation and I’d say, oh, I could never do that, cause you know, I’m a busy person and my mind is always racing and busy. And that kind of became my identity.
[00:26:06] So I haven’t always been somebody who, you know, who can meditate and be calm and sit calm and be quiet in myself. And I’ve learned this since Covid, because when Covid began, I was incredibly concerned at the way things were going, like everybody. And then even more so when I discovered that there was a useful treatment and it was cheap and safe and effective, and I couldn’t get the message out. And that was really, really difficult. And, and so I had to develop some techniques to, you know. Well, at the time it was survival, but now, you know, now I realize it’s really, you know, evolutionary in a way, you know, I feel like I’ve evolved through this adversity.
[00:26:58] And I’ve done this through, I think if you read my Substack, the one way that I manage to quieten my mind is by watching birds. I have quite an affinity for birds and I’m fortunate to live in, oh, in an area where there are lots of different birds. There’s you know, pigeons, to geese, to ducks, to swans, to black birds and blue tits, and Robins, you know. I find it really meditative for me, really clears my mind to just put myself, you know, just sit on a bench for a few minutes and watch a few birds. And then I close my eyes and imagine that I’m, I’m, I’m one of them and I’m, and I’m soaring and I have a great sense of peace and calm when I do that. And joy as well. It feels quite joyful because birds have such a wonderful and interesting life. So, so that’s one of the techniques I use.
[00:27:54] Something that I didn’t write in the Substack, which I think I’ll probably put in the next one, well, which I’ve drafted, is also probably something that is maybe not something that others have thought of. And that’s contextual, it relates to the context we’re in at the moment, because in the current context to me, it feels like we are in collective childbirth.
[00:28:18] It feels like you know, it’s, there’s so much uncertainty, anxiety, and apprehension, and pain, and suffering and mess, you know, it’s very messy at the moment. And, you know, when, I’ve had four babies and you know, every, every pregnancy is a different pregnancy. There’s always apprehension.
[00:28:49] And there’s the uncertainty of, you know, is the baby gonna be okay at the end? You know, what’s the baby gonna be like? Is it gonna be healthy and happy? And is it gonna have colic or is it, you know. And in, and in preparation, you know, in pregnancy, you have to actually prepare, you actually have to look after yourself because you can’t just worry your whole way throughout pregnancy. That’s going to be, have a negative impact on the baby. So you actually have to, you have to really pay attention and you have to look after yourself, you have to eat well, you have to breathe. You have to you know, do relaxing exercises. The other thing is, of course, you know, your body is changing in such a different way and unpredictable ways with each and every pregnancy.
[00:29:31] So if you haven’t ever been pregnant before, and I’m talking to men as well, this is what it feels like. There’s this massive change happening. You have no control over it. And now, you know, if one’s in labor you just actually have to, you just have to trust in the process, and trust yourself, and empower yourself with the skills you need to go through this process so that you actually can help and support the new life that’s coming. Does that make any sense to you?
[00:30:07] Robito: Absolutely. Yeah. Well we agree that it feels like we’re going through a rebirth, you know, an evolution, if you like, of human consciousness, awareness, moving to a different stage where, where before it was always this kind of pyramid structure, with the rulers at the top. But realizing now, as a collective, that this is not working and that we need to create something else. And that is a kind of a rebirth or a, or an evolution process. And it’s painful, you know, because for people, for a lot of people to realize that the systems as they are, are not working, things need to get bad enough that they want to get up and do something else.
[00:31:03] So it’s this whole kind of duality, positive negative. We need both.
[00:31:09] Dr Tess Lawrie: Yeah, actually it’s, it’s kind of, it’s actually sort of swung, and we’ve needed it to swing so completely because without things being totally dire, we would just carry on doing what we are doing and all the stuff we do is pretty bad for us. So we’ve needed things to get so dire that people say, hang on, is this what I signed up for? I think there’s a better way.
[00:31:31] And so, you know, we can start to restore balance in ourselves and in our society and, you know.
[00:31:40] Robito: Yeah. Yeah. On Covid Positive News, we want to start posting some stuff about meditation. You mentioned looking at the birds and things like this, also with the hypnosis that I do, connecting to the subconscious and finding answers there. But there’s so much science about relaxing the thoughts, being in the present, focusing on the present moment is good for anxiety, it’s good for stress. It makes us feel more empowered again. So absolutely. What we both, but me particularly I’ve spent a lot of time in meditation and doing meditation.
[00:32:19] But I want to move on because it’s already, we’ve got 25 minutes left and I did say that we’d offer 30 minutes to the people here to ask questions. I’ve noticed there’s some questions in the chat as well. So I’m going to just have a look at the chat, but if somebody would like to turn their mic on and the video, if you want. And then just ask a question for Tess and I’ll check the chat questions.
[00:32:45] I think that’s David.
[00:32:46] David: Yeah. Can I go?
[00:32:48] Robito: You can, you’re a little bit quiet or at least on our end.
[00:32:50] David: Am I? I’m speaking a, all the way from Montreal in Quebec, Canada.
[00:32:54] Robito: That’s what it is.
[00:32:55] David: Might be muting my sound. What a joy to be here today. I stumbled on the link through a Telegram app and when I saw Dr. Lawrie, I said, wow, what an opportunity? I find it serendipitous Tess, that your space where you get nurtured in meditation with birds is the same name as the acronym of your advocacy group for Ivermectin. I don’t know if you saw that link.
[00:33:25] I do have a question. I’ll make a real quick comment. I intentionally encountered “the beast” on December 22nd, when my daughter called me and said, I have Covid.
[00:33:40] So I ran over to her house and we shared spoons and she coughed on me. And I was already prepared at home with Ivermectin that I had secured through India, the ziverdo kit. I don’t know if you’re familiar with that.
[00:33:55] Dr Tess Lawrie: Yes.
[00:33:56] David: Dr. Lori. And I cleared my symptoms in about two and a half days. It was anchored by ivermectin and I’d already been, so I just, I’m a living testimony that what I experienced was somewhere between a cold and a mild flu in terms of symptoms. I was still doing live streams. I worked right through it. I even cooked Christmas dinner in the illness. I just wanna share that.
[00:34:25] This is coming up a lot. I host a small group, support group called the human sovereignty coalition here in Canada. We’ve been gathering for six months and, you know, speaking of meditation, bringing some spirituality or depth into this dystopian world we live in, is essential to have something to anchor to as the waves of fear porn continue to roll over us.
[00:34:54] And one of the things that I’m hearing a lot in the last several months is this, there’s, there’s two things that really trigger me. One is this notion of Long Covid, which I believe is actually another way that adverse events are being masked. And the whole notion of asymptomatic cases, which I believe result directly with the flawed cycle thresholds of the PCR test.
[00:35:24] So and this would be directed at you, Dr. Lawrie, what are your thoughts on Long Covid? And is is asymptomatic even a thing, or is it just another way of saying healthy?
[00:35:39] Dr Tess Lawrie: Yeah, so asymptomatic is not a thing. If you don’t have symptoms, then you don’t have Covid. And you know, it really, if you’re symptomatic, then you know you stay at home and you don’t you know, you look after yourself, you feel pretty rotten, and you try not to give it to anybody else.
[00:35:57] And with regard to Long Covid, I do think Long Covid is a thing, most certainly. I think there’s, and it seems to be fairly common and it’s very similar. So people who, many people who have the vaccines experience a kind of Long Covid thing too, which has now been called by experts around the world, certainly the ones that we are collaborating with, as Post Covid Vaccine Syndrome, and this can take a number of different, present in a number of different ways. But one of the most common ways is a kind of Long Covid chronic fatigue kind of thing. And doctors are managing both of them in a similar way. And both of them with Ivermectin based therapies, so, or combination therapies.
[00:36:48] So, Ivermectin is actually a really important medicine in this whole Covid story, because it’s not just about acute Covid, it prevents as well, but it’s also very useful for people who are suffering from Long Covid or a kind of Long Covid like syndrome after the Covid vaccines.
[00:37:09] David: Brilliant. Thank you.
[00:37:10] Robito: Okay. Let me just, so thanks for the question, David. I’m just gonna move on to another Dave now, Dave Dewitt, you’ve got your hand up there, if you’d like to ask a question.
[00:37:20] Dave: Yeah. Wow. What an honor to speak to you, Dr. Lawrie. And also I’m sitting at a Dunkin Donuts. So I, I would going through the drive through, and I don’t know if I cut out, so I don’t know if you brought this up, but here in New Hampshire, we, are you getting me okay?
[00:37:37] Dr Tess Lawrie: Yes.
[00:37:37] Robito: Yeah, yes to that. Yeah.
[00:37:38] Dave: Okay. So here in New Hampshire, I think, you know, we just passed a bill through our house of representatives, which has over 300 representatives, to allow Ivermectin to be dispensed at a pharmacy on a standing order from a, you know, from a doctor. So it doesn’t require people to have individual prescriptions.
[00:37:56] There still could be some issues with when you go to pick it up, the pharmacist don’t have to necessarily you know give it to you, even though, even though they have the standing order. I checked with my pharmacist and, and I’m not sure that’s how that’s gonna work, but there will be some pharmacies that will do it.
[00:38:16] Representative Leah Kushman is our representative who sponsored the bill and she’s amazing. And if you go to my website, it’s fairdealdave.com, you can click on one of those links and it’ll . Take you to what’s called a mega server folder where you can see her testimony as well as Dr. Marik was here. And thank goodness he came because his testimony was very moving and I think one of the reasons why the bill got passed. Our Senate is small, we don’t have a lot of senators. I’m pretty sure it’ll clear the Senate without any trouble because the G O P majority is in the Senate.
[00:38:51] So I think it won’t be too long, as long as the governor goes along with it, where New Hampshire will be the first state in the United States to allow ivermectin to be dispensed at a pharmacy without having a prescription. So I just wanted to be sure everybody knew about that.
[00:39:05] The second thing, and I’ll make this quick is, I know that the Lancet that just came out with a report, and I’d be interested in your opinion on it, that was completely funded, sponsored, and I think actually run by the CDC, which I thought was incredible. And they analyzed all of the VAERS data and basically came up with the unbelievable conclusion that there were no deaths caused by vaccine, which I, which I think, even based on the concept of normal logic, would defy logic at all.
[00:39:36] And, and oh, one third thing. And I thought this would be something that you could possibly push Dr. Lawrie. Here in the states, we have the, they think that one of the reasons why ivermectin wasn’t allowed was because if ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, or one of these other treatment protocols, were allowed then the EU wouldn’t have been able to be granted, the emergency use authorization.
[00:39:58] And I was wondering if you could talk to some people and push the concept that why can’t, since we were able to mess around with just about everything else in the world, why can’t the EU specifically for the vaccine, why can’t that EU be modified to allow for pre-treatment protocols that would not necessarily negate the vaccines?
[00:40:19] Cuz I think most of the doctors feel that the vaccines are good for older people like myself. I’m 75. So I think that would be a reasonable change. And I was just curious what you thought about all that. Thank you for taking my call.
[00:40:33] Dr Tess Lawrie: Thanks very much for all of that and the news about New Hampshire and and the, the very valid point that if they could have just given the emergency use authorization for Ivermectin and why did they not, why are these double standards when there’s huge amount of evidence on Ivermectin and and I can’t answer the why.
[00:40:52] But I do know that that has been an option that’s been on the table for over a year and they have consistently rejected Ivermectin. You know, I won’t go into the details of it now, but certainly with the MHRA here, in actual fact, if you read Phil Harper’s Substack, that’s another great Substack to follow. If you wanna know the whole Ivermectin story, and, and really be, he’s an invest journalist, he’s at the cutting edge of all of this. And he was just highlighting that in actual fact, he’s been going through the UK’s therapeutic taskforce documents and meeting documents. And you can see that they’ve actually, their job was to consider possible medicines that would be useful and they kept ignoring Ivermectin.
[00:41:37] And so, you know, it was tabled and rejected tabled and rejected. So there’s, there’s just something that’s really not right about what’s going on and it’s just, it will come out. We will know more, but at the moment, it’s we, we don’t know all the details.
[00:41:55] Robito: Leah Barnett just asked in the chat, what was the name of the person in the Substack again?
[00:41:59] Dr Tess Lawrie: It’s Phil Harper and I think his Substack is called the Digger,
[00:42:04] Robito: Phil Harper
[00:42:05] Dr Tess Lawrie: He’s really doing amazing work. He’s just unbelievably tenacious. He’s the guy who turned up, you know, he looked at the metadata, the properties of the PDF papers that Dr. Andrew Hill posted on the research square servers. And he found that there’s a digital signature of one of his colleagues at the university who’s not an author on the paper and that colleague is on the UK’s Covid advisory panel, therapeutics advisory panel. He’s a shareholder in a lipid nanoparticle company, a substantial shareholder and also he’s contributed to studies, the remdesivir, sotrovimab ,and malnpuravir, approval.
[00:42:52] So, yeah.
[00:42:53] Robito: Yeah. I think we saw an article. It might have been this from, from this Substack, an article about we’ve got a name from the the, got a name from the from Dr. Andrew Hill’s publication. And so that was possibly that. I’ve got two more questions from the chat.
[00:43:13] One is just from, is from a guy James in the UK, but this could just be a general question, is just how to approach your GP or doctor in a constructive way when trying to get diagnosis and things like that. I don’t know if you’ve got any tips on how to kind of approach, kind of, your general practitioner.
[00:43:37] Dr Tess Lawrie: I’m afraid I don’t. It’s been rather dismaying to see how the the NHS has just really not served the public during this time. The, you know, the GP seemed to be very much caught up in the, in the you know, the Covid strategy that’s, you know, they seem to be, be sort of fed and they don’t, they seem to, in many instances you know. And in fact, there’s a handful of doctors in the UK at the moment who are even open to the idea that the vaccines are are causing harm. So not, not a handful. They’re not, it’s not a handful, but handful speaking out. And so, you know, we are No, and actually, I’m sorry, that’s really not true. There are growing groups of doctors speaking out, but in terms of accessing care, it’s really not that easy.
[00:44:49] So perhaps this is a good opportunity to say that the other thing that we are looking at is well, not, not looking at, that. We are working on is a new way of accessing care in the UK. It’s called My Health Society and it’s gonna be a platform where people can search practitioners and a diverse range of practitioners. So not just GPS, but a diverse range of practitioners and they can choose who they will see.
[00:45:20] But in order to be part of the society, you also have to choose to take responsibility for your health. People have to want a choice. You have to recognize that we are part of nature and that, and that there are many natural remedies that, that help.
[00:45:40] And you have to agree also to do no harm to yourself, because I think many of us do very harmful things to ourselves and we don’t really take responsibility for those. And then we expect the doctor to, or the health system, to fix us up. So it’s a partnership. Health is a partnership.
[00:45:56] And so that is, those would be the principles going forward with the new way of looking at health and healthcare.
[00:46:03] Robito: Thank you, Tess. I dunno, how comfortable you are, it looks like you’re getting a tan there. I dunno if you want to do something with the window?
[00:46:09] Dr Tess Lawrie: I really wasn’t expecting the sun to be shining today.
[00:46:12] Robito: Are you okay? A little bit?
[00:46:13] I can move a little bit.
[00:46:14] Yeah, I just, sure.
[00:46:15] I just wanted to add, so we’ve got in the chat here, Christine. She’s got a cough. She got Covid on Monday. She felt rotten on Wednesday. Her friend gave her Ivermectin. Five hours later most symptoms had disappeared but I’m left with a cough. Should I carry on with Ivermectin?
[00:46:38] Dr Tess Lawrie: I’m not going to give any medical advice on this. But what I would suggest is that you look at the, at home Covid care guide on the World Council for Health website and you know, there’s a number of things that you can do for cough. And and I would would have a look at that. And then consult your trusted healthcare professional.
[00:47:01] Robito: Sure. Okay. Opening it up then to people here. Has anyone else got a question you’d like to ask on camera?
[00:47:07] David: Sure.
[00:47:10] Robito: Yeah? Okay. Just checking no one else wants to go for it. Okay. Yeah. Go on then.
[00:47:14] David: I’ll only take it if there isn’t someone else. Thanks for putting this together. It’s a unique opportunity for, for, for all of us here to actually speak with one of our heroes. I so appreciate you, Dr. Lawrie, and the stand you’ve taken and and particularly obviously your medical acumen, but the call to us to be responsible and partners in our wellbeing. So I’m just really grateful to be here. If I haven’t said it before, I’m gonna say it again.
[00:47:52] What do you what do you think the current situation is in the UK in terms of giving you the impression that it’s almost over. I travel back and forth to the UK. I have a property in the Sury Hills, not far from Gilford, in a small village called Gomshall. As someone who has declined to participate in this medical experiment and, and unfortunately being a Canadian. For those who, who may not be aware, I am not allowed to board a plane, a passenger train, a bus, or a cruise ship in Canada, period.
[00:48:39] I cannot get on a plane to fly from Montreal to Toronto. Were you aware of that?
[00:48:47] Dr Tess Lawrie: Yeah.
[00:48:48] David: Canada is the only country in the world currently where you can’t. So I, I’m not currently able to return to the UK. It’s been that way since November 30th. But we see this, you know, I started noticing this, criminal investigation taking place in many different police stations. And then Boris, all of a sudden, with his Downing street Christmas party story, started to drop the mandates. And I was trying to assess what’s happening with the UK. Is it because they’re not part of the EU? And it appears, on paper, that freedom has been restored in the UK. There’s no one wearing a mask. And just recently they dropped all entry requirements for testing or isolation.
[00:49:38] Robito: Dave, David, sorry. Thank you. I was gonna stop you there just cuz you’ve got five minutes left, but I was gonna say, so the question is what’s Dr. Tess Lawrie’s opinion about what’s happening in the UK.
[00:49:48] Dave: So is this a false sense of security?
[00:49:53] Dr Tess Lawrie: I think it is a false sense of security. That’s my opinion. Because you know, just by looking at the strategy that the government has had over the last two years, it’s been very much sort of give, take, give, take, give, take. Really just making people very uncertain about about what’s going on.
[00:50:14] So I would really caution people not to take their eye off the end game and actually really take this opportunity to do some inner work, some reflection on what good health really does mean and keep striving for that because we just don’t know what’s around the corner.
[00:50:32] David: And last, last, quick question. In Canada, we have this emergency public health emergency legislation. So they can lift all the mandates, but until they, they actually retract that legislation, tomorrow morning our, our beloved Justin can just push a button and it all comes back online. Is that the same case in the UK? Is the underpinning legislation still alive?
[00:50:58] Dr Tess Lawrie: I believe so, but I’m not, I’m not too clued up on the legislative side of things. But I do believe that there are extraordinary powers at the moment that the authorities have. I’m also concerned, when I see the locked now being imposed in China, because that was, you know, what started the whole thing off in the first place.
[00:51:19] So I think we really need to keep an eye on that, but not let it consume us with fear. You know? We really, we really need to just welcome this opportunity for change and say, I’m not, they’re not gonna catch me again. I’m gonna, you know, open my eyes wide now and take responsibility for my own health and the health of my family. Learn what’s good for me.
[00:51:42] In actual fact, the World Council for Health’s campaign, we have two campaigns running. The one is starting, it’s called Know What’s Good for You. Don’t Be Like Sparky, Know What’s Good for You. And the other one is it is our mind health campaign, which is on an ongoing campaign, goes throughout the year and every Wednesday we have an event called the Connection Room where you can go and learn about new new technique of getting healthy, you know, restoring your mind health. It’s really a wonderful program, and I hope that many people will join. You can access it via the website or via the telegram group. And and there’s amazing speakers and techniques and, and you can, you can improve your skills so that you can manage that anxiety, step away from fear, and actually start to enjoy life no matter what the external circumstances throw at you, you know?
[00:52:40] Robito: Yeah. Thanks for that. I just want to ask this, Kate and Sarah, you’ve both got your mics on. Do either of you have a question? There’s a Kate MJ and a Sarah?
[00:52:53] Kate: Sorry, no question. Sorry. That’s by accident.
[00:52:56] Robito: Okay. All right then. So then in that case I would also add that, yeah, it’s important for us to kind of see what’s happening, but I would say, as we’ve talked about this already before, that perhaps even more important, or we would argue more important, is to really stay focused on creating, co-creation, collaboration, joining kind of groups in your community, and working towards what we want as much as we possibly can.
[00:53:32] Tess, is there anything else you’d like to add before we finish. And you said that you’ve got a colleague there from the World Council for Health. I don’t know if that, if she would like to say some words as well to, to wrap up.
[00:53:46] Dr Tess Lawrie: Jennifer would you like to pop on?
[00:53:48] Dr Jennifer Hibberd: Yeah, sure. It’s a pleasure to be here and Tess thank you. You explained a lot of what is going on and certainly she’s a shining light in the world and I’m very, very proud and honored to be working with her. Thank you so much. And regarding the mind health, we also are starting meditation session every Friday evening, actually, would that be evening? Yes, so the evening in in England, late afternoon in the west. And we’ll be doing meditation session every Friday and we’ll have a different member of our committee doing that.
[00:54:21] We’re also gonna start a book club and bring forward some really inspiring books. So please tune in to our telegram group. And you’ll find a lot of resources that we’re bringing forward as fast as we can for everybody. But this is a really unusual time that we’re going through. And as Tess said, please try your best to step out of the shadow of fear, because then you can, you can just raise your consciousness and open your mind to what’s going on and be able to see more clearly what’s happening.
[00:54:51] And that’s what we’re there for to help everybody find a better way forward.
[00:54:56] Robito: Thank you so much.
[00:54:57] Lucie: Thank you.
[00:54:59] Robito: Okay, Tess, you get the final word.
[00:55:02] Dr Tess Lawrie: Okay, so. So, yeah, top tip then then. Just step away from your TV, step away from media for a week and see how it feels. And also any of those negative, you know, any of those chats that you’re on, those chats where they, where the news is not positive news, where it’s, if you read if you read three consecutive posts and it’s all about this, and look at this with five exclamation marks and some explosions just, you know, get off the chat. It’s not gonna be good for you. Just listen to, or ask yourself, do I feel good and start measuring the things that make you feel good? And if it means you, you quit all those telegram chats and you actually just spend time in the garden instead. And you stop watching the news. It’s okay. It’s okay to stop watching news.
[00:55:57] It’s really a time to restore your sense of balance and you don’t, you know, if that means you don’t know what’s going on in the Ukraine, or you don’t know what’s you know what the UK or what your government has, just that’s okay. You can step away from it and start taking care of yourself. That’s what I wanna say.
[00:56:17] Robito: That’s a wonderful way to finish.
[00:56:19] Lucie: Yeah. Thank you for your presence here. And for inspiration. Thank you.
[00:56:25] Dr Tess Lawrie: Thank you so much for your really wonderful positive channel. And I hope that it, well, I know that it will gain, you know, I know that it’s gonna do really, really well. Because everybody has had enough of all the negative stuff and we, and, you know, they’re ready to, to move forward and in a positive way. And there is a better way we are making it together.
[00:56:44] Robito: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you so much, Tess. Thank you, Dr. Jennifer Hibberd as well. And thank you everybody that’s joined this meeting today and we’ll we’ll close now. Yeah.
[00:57:01] Dr Tess Lawrie: Thank you, Robito. Thank you, Lucy. Thank you.
[00:57:04] Robito: Byebye everyone. Bye.