Dr. Tess Lawrie Provides Exclusive Insight Into Her Conversation With Dr. Andrew Hill

Dr. Tess Lawrie: An insight into the conversation between Dr. Tess Lawrie & Dr. Andrew Hill, as published in Robert F. Kennedy’s book The Real Anthony Fauci

Dr. Tess Lawrie (MBBCh, PhD) is the Director of the Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd, and CEO of EbMCsquared CiC, an independent, not for profit, health-focused think tank based in the United Kingdom. Tess Lawrie is also the founder of the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development initiative (now called BiRD International) and a co-founder of World Council for Health.

This is an edited segment from the weekly live General Assembly meeting on December 20, 2021. The full meeting can be viewed here.

Here’s what WCH members, staff, and affiliates are saying about Dr. Tess Lawrie’s presentation:

“Thank you Tess!!! You are a hero!!!💖 for Humanity…” -Zafeiria Kakaletri Greek Medical Freedom Alliance

“Tess you are a true hero thank you for your bravery. xx” -Emma Brierly

“Congratulations, Tess, on your courageous steps. Most important for humanity’s future.” -Charles Kovess

“Bravo bravo bravo, Tess, very brave and persistent!!!” -Stephan Becker

“Thank you Tess, you have been pivotal in making people aware of the efficacy of Ivermectin.” -Feisal Mansoor

“Thank you for shining a light on the evil that is there.” -Tina Peers

“Thanks Tess for your courage and ethics and standing up for people and their rights for safety and truth.” -Keren eg

“The world wouldn’t be the same without Tess Laurie!” -Paola Amaldi

“Thank you so very much Tess, from all of us, and from all good people in the world!” -Dr Mark Trozzi

“Bravo for your passion, persistence and courage, Tess!” -Laurent Goldstein

“Hat off to you Tess.” -Nathi Mdladla

“Thank you for shining a light in very dark places, Tess.” -Anne Mc Closkey

“I get goosebumps when Tess talks.” -Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg

“Bravo Tess, you’re a real hero of public health!” -Dr Pri Bandara

“Brilliant, thank you Tess.” -Sue Grey


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  1. Dr Lawrie’s a beacon of hope, strength and courage. Unfortunately the video of her zoom call with Andrew Hill did not transmit well during this conference (frozen screen, sound cut). Is there any other way to see it? Short conversations like this could have so much more impact than long explanations. Thanks.

  2. Tess deserves a Victoria Cross for outstanding courage and bravery fighting for her country. I think most of us would like to have input into the Commendation! What an honest, trustworthy and caring woman.

  3. literally love her passion and drive, it’s so evident she is the top of her profession. top 10 papers of all time. the evidence has been in plain sight thanks to the team of ivermectin researchers. Also shout out to dr carvallho for carrying out his amazing research, they so despirately try to debunk.. he is so passionate and has nothing but saving lives driving him

  4. I see that you will provide a transcript. Thank you. It’s my hope that you will be either captioning videos or providing transcripts for them. Keep up the great work!

  5. I am sure that I speak for many in saying that I was profoundly impacted by reading the transcription of what struck me as in many ways a tragic conversation with Andrew Hill when excerpts from RFK’s book recently appeared on the Children’s Health Defense website. In future generations this may well become a classic text of medical ethics, or any form of ethics, for that matter, as it somehow encapsulates the perennial struggle between truth and power. We owe you a real debt of gratitude, Dr Lawrie, for having shared not only this painful exchange but also now the supplementary material that demonstrates that Andrew Hill’s support for ivermectin was indeed genuine both and before your dialogue, but that he was sadly unable to extricate himself from institutional constraints that have ultimately stifled freedom of research with devastating consequences (my suspicion is that there may be many others in similar positions as this reflects a systemic problem). This having been said, the fact that UNITAID acted like this also suggests that, even had the meta-analysis been presented to the WHO with the original conclusion, those with a vested interest in suppressing interest in ivermectin would have stopped at nothing to do so in any case – as subsequent developments, including the FDA’s now-famous “horse de-wormer” tweet… have shown. I have just referenced both your conversation with Andrew Hill and interview with FranceSoir/BonSens in a French-language article that can be found here: https://www.laselectiondujour.com/merck-livermectine-et-le-molnupiravir-n1463/

  6. Where is the full video of the conversation between Dr. Lawrie and Dr. Hill?
    If what Dr. Lawrie says is true, it is huge. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
    Please, please upload the video in its entirety. Relying on a transcript and partial snippets from the video is not sufficient.

    1. You are misguided. The problem is not the dearth of “extraordinary evidence” because that exists but the recognition and acknowledgment of that evidence.

      As an example, there is (and long has been) irrefutable “extraordinary evidence” right in front of our noses that a mafia network of manipulating PSYCHOPATHS are governing big businesses (eg official medicine), nations and the world — study “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room –The Holocaustal Covid-19 Coronavirus Madness: A Sociological Perspective & Historical Assessment Of The Covid “Phenomenon”” …. https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html

      WHY is it that nearly all humans do NOT “see” and acknowledge this irrefutable “extraordinary evidence”? Meet “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room” ….

  7. I have been searching in vain for months to find a doctor in the UK who will prescribe ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine so that I can have it on hand, should I contract the virus. Can you help?

  8. Is there any chance the recording of this conversation on zoom between Hill and Lawrie could be released?? Please ??? It’s like a smoking gun except some people don’t want to believe it.

  9. Please upload the entire zoom call to archive.org because his action has laid the groundwork for a crime against humanity

  10. Thank you Tess! Your dedication to understanding the TRUTH and your courage to share it with the world is nothing less than heroic!! We pray this will be the stone that takes goliath to the ground!

  11. Important work – needs to be taken up by MSM immediately and also we need to see a real ‘iteration’ within the so-called scientific ‘community’ around this – there are too many reputable and distinguished voices who are saying similar things. ‘Science’ has been destroyed by politics and money. Thank you again for your stubborn courage and compassion.

  12. I’m appreciative to see this productive review if this question. I was listening to the BIRD session when the review was being voted up on. I couldn’t understand what was causing the meeting to awkwardly drag on. Then to not have a positive recommendation very quickly was terribly disappointing and was going to interfere with early treatment around the world. I’m pleased that formation of the “World Council on Health” came out of this awkward tribulation. We are all the better for this important outcome and to see that this was an example of clearcut corrupt influence. We are indebted to you, Tess, for your persistence.

  13. You are amazing Tess! Thank you for all your efforts to save lives & your fight against those trying stop treatment with ivermectin!

  14. God bless you Dr Tess Lawrie
    You are an amazing lady, thank you for being an honourable human being.
    Thank you and god bless you x

  15. I’ve only just realised the Bath conference has been cancelled.
    Will this be relocated elsewhere?

  16. Thank you so much, how do we get dr.’s from Namibia to join
    Everyone here is so narrow minded and afraid of loosing their licences.

  17. Dr Lawrie

    I would like to thank you for the reassurance that there are people within the health system that have not lost their Hippocratic Oath. I read your discussion with Dr Andrew Hill and it moved me to write to you. I have been a healthy person whom as never required medication, I have been told recently I am a lucky one, this all came to an abrupt halt this year when a colonoscopy result rushed me into surgery to remove 2/3 of the cancer that was receding in the colon. The only thing that changed was the 3rd booster shot that I was pressured into taking. During recovery, I am researching more about the effects and impact the vaccines are having. I just want to say thank you, my confidence and trust within the healthcare sector was at an very low point and then I read your January 19 Bird conference speech. Thank you, and all the best.

  18. Thank you Tess and all you other ladies for continuing to shed light and truth onto this terrible deception foisted on the world.