General Assembly Meeting | February 7, 2022
Rewatch the full February 7, 2022 World Council for Health General Assembly Meeting with guest speakers Prof Michael Barnes and Catharina Roland. Shabnam Palesa Mohamed introduced WCH Coalition Partner, SAVAERS.
Prof Michael Barnes: An Insight into the Medical Cannabis Scene in the UK
Prof Barnes is a Consultant Neurologist and medical cannabis expert. For over 20 years he has been at the forefront of medical cannabis in the UK and is committed to securing access to medical cannabis for all who need it.
A clip of Prof Barnes’ presentation can be found here.
Catharina Roland: New Earth Manifesto: A Beautiful Vision of Healing Life on Earth
Catharina is a visionary, mother, author, adventurous life researcher, world traveler, paradise gardener, yoga teacher, nature lover, and filmmaker. She addresses the themes of consciousness, awakening, and the complex interrelationships of life.
A clip of Catharina’s presentation can be found here.
Shabnam Palesa Mohamed introduces WCH Coalition Partner, SAVAERS
The South African Adverse Events Reporting System is an independent, voluntary, public interest vaccine effects reporting system designated by the people for the people.
A clip of Shabnam’s presentation can be found here.
This is an edited segment from the weekly live General Assembly on February 7, 2022.
WCH – GA Meeting – February 7, 2022 === [00:00:00] Dr. Katarina Lindley: Thank you everyone for joining us today, we our live at the World Council for Health. Welcome everyone. Thank you for joining us. So we are delighted to be hosting speakers from around the world on our [00:01:00] platform and welcome different perspectives. We would like to point out however that the opinions of our guest speakers don’t necessarily represent the opinion of World Council for Health. This meeting is live and not rehearsed. Therefore errors and ommissions are possible. As we are live, if you do not wish to appear, please turn your camera off. Please keep yourself on mute during the meeting and adhere to the code of conduct, to facilitate respectful and open discussion. To our partners in the meeting. Please write your questions in the Q and A feature or in the chat. If you’re watching through the newsroom, please be aware that you won’t see the chat or questions. 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And the cease and desist declaration is now available for download in Dutch, French, portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Greek, and German. [00:04:00] And today we have a wonderful guests that are going to be joining us. Professor Michael Barnes from United Kingdom, Cathrina Roland from Austria, and then Shabnam Palesa Mohammed is going to introduce our coalition partner. And for the last we’re going to leave matters arising. So if anyone has something they would like to share, the floor will be open for discussions. Prof Michael Barnes — Dr. Katarina Lindley: And next, I would like to introduce you to professor Michael Barnes. His talk, today’s going to be an insight into the medical cannabis and healing in the United Kingdom. Professor Barnes is a consultant neurologist and medical cannabis expert for over 20 years. He has been at the forefront of medical cannabis in United Kingdom, and he’s committed to securing access to medical cannabis for all who need it. So thank you, professor Barnes and welcome. Professor Michael Barnes: Thank you. Thank you for asking me. And, uh, as you kindly said, uh, I’m going to talk to you tonight a little bit about the medical [00:05:00] cannabis or perhaps it’s better called the prescription cannabis, um, seen in the UK. Um, and, and then I will mention the society that is part of the World Council, the Medical Cannabis Coalition Society which is becoming international actually. So, uh, I’m just going to talk for about 10 minutes or so, and, uh, just to set the scene and then I’m very happy to answer any questions that, um, that you have, and I’d love to hear any experiences of the cannabis scene, um, worldwide, because it’s accepted in many countries now, but certainly not accepted in many others. So in the UK, I’m, uh, perhaps I should introduce myself, I’m a neurologist. Uh, I think you’ve covered, you’ve covered most of what I am, but I’m a neurologist involved in Cannabis for about 20 years, mainly from the background of seeing people with multiple sclerosis and learning from them, uh, that cannabis was helping there in that, in that context, mainly their pain and their [00:06:00] muscle spasms, spasticity, um, and people were coming to my clinic and telling me they were using cannabis. This is when it was very illegal and still is in a sense in the UK. And just out of, just informally, I ask those coming to the clinic, there’s about 60 people with multiple sclerosis in my clinic. And in, I live in North England, Newcastle at one time. And I was surprised actually, and perhaps naively, but I was surprised as about half of the people coming to the clinic were actually using cannabis. This is the say 20 or so years ago. I then helped a company called GW pharma, uh, developed what turned out to be the first cannabis mid-cycle Sativex, which is for muscle spasm, some of you will be familiar with. Then nothing much happened in the UK for about 12 years because Sativex wasn’t approved. Um, we have a body in the UK that some of you will know called NICE, which is a very strange name for a body like that. But it’s called the National Institute for Clinical Excellence [00:07:00] and they determine whether medicines are cost effective. They look at the economics of the medicine and they decided to Sativex was not cost effective. So it wasn’t introduced into our national health service. For those that don’t know the national health service in the UK accounts for about 90% of all medical intervention in the UK. And about 10% is through the private sector. So that’s a little bit different from many other countries. So nothing much happened about cannabis from a legal point of view until around 2016, when things were, um, rekindled. And I was asked to do a report for a parliamentary body called the All Party Parliamentary Group on Drug Policy, which I did with my daughter actually, I must acknowledge my daughter is a psychologist and she helped me write to that report, which I think was influential, was perhaps the wrong word. It was, I call it influential if I may for a moment because it’s sort of rekindled the debate on whether we [00:08:00] should legalize cannabis, at least for medical purposes. And then soon after that, there was a, what turned out to be a very well known little boy in the UK called Alfie Dingley. I suppose, from those of you from the states Alfie is the equivalent to Charlotte Figi in the States. Um, and, um, his mother doesn’t mind me telling you, Alfie’s story, just briefly because it is relevant to where we got to today in the UK. Alfie has a very rare condition called PCDH19, which gives rise to severe seizures. He was having three to 400 seizures a week and not helped by any licensed anticonvulsant. Um, at all, he was only helped by intravenous steroids. He was admitted to a pediatric intensive care unit, 48 times, and the previous year before his mother became desperate and, uh, took him to Holland where obviously it was cannabis for medical purposes was legal. Um, they tried him on cannabis in Holland and after a few weeks of [00:09:00] getting the right dose, his seizures stopped. And other than a brief spell where we had to some breakthrough seizures about two years ago, he has remained seizure-free ever since, which is remarkable. I mean, truly remarkable, actually from three to 400 seizures to none. And of course the result of that he’s now able to function. Uh, he goes to school, his motor control is better. He can ride a bike, he can ride a horse. His quality of life is a measurably improved as of course is the quality of life if his family, because they were looking after their child and have another young daughter as well, and now are able to look after the family as a whole. So it’s made a truly remarkable difference to that family, but they were in Holland and they wanted to come home and live in the UK where the home is. And so they came back without the medicine because it was illegal to import it and started, uh, turned out to be a remarkably successful media campaign, uh, that was supported by most of the media in the UK. It’s a story you couldn’t help, but be moved by. And [00:10:00] really as a direct result of that campaign, uh, Alfie got a, uh, the first driver license in the UK, their schedule one license before the, before cannabis was made legal in summer 2018. And a result of that, um, the law was changed, uh, only a few months later. So that’s a really remarkably successful media campaign that actually changed the law. And the law was changed to, was to move cannabis from schedule one of our misuse of drugs act, this is drug regulations, to schedule 2, which enabled doctors to prescribe cannabis as a medicine. It was a bit limited, it was only doctors on the UCO specialist register. That means not hospital consultants, basically, and not general practitioners, not primary care physicians. That’s a bit of an issue, but I’ll come to that. Uh, but the law was changed in November 18. And then we thought, well, I thought having been part of that campaign with Alfie, I got his license for him, um, and wrote [00:11:00] the first prescription. Uh, I thought, well, that’s done. I can retire now and carry on with stopping neurology, which is my, was my plan as I’m getting very ancient. Um, uh, but that didn’t really happen. And since the law changed three years ago to over three years ago, now we’ve had to test three, three national health service prescriptions for cannabis. Which is awful. And I’ll come to the reasons in a moment in the last few minutes. Um, it is available in the private sector, which is good. In many ways, people are able to access it, but it’s bad in other ways, because they have to pay out of their own pocket. And whilst cannabis as a medicine is cheap. When you add in all the import costs and the doctor costs and the clinic costs and everything else, it’s not cheap. Um, and some of the families and the children need a higher dose of cannabis than adults strangely. Um, we’re paying up to 2000 pounds Sterling a month to get the prescription. Vast majority of families can no way afford that amount of money. It’s [00:12:00] come down a little bit, but families are still paying at least a thousand pounds a month. And adults are now paying about three to 500 pounds Sterling a month, which is still an awful lot of money through about 15 cannabis, private cannabis clinics in the UK. And I think that’s a shame we need to available to all free on the point of delivery, as I say, and national health services, which is what I presume, what parliament intended when the law was changed, but that hasn’t happened in our come to reasons in a moment. So the situation at the moment in the UK, as I say, we have 15 clinics, we have a reasonable choice of cannabis medicines from about, it’s actually about the same number 15 producers of about a hundred products in the UK. So it was a decent choice for doctors. We have about a hundred doctors now trained. And prescribing, which is, um, for about 12,000 patients. So we are, we are a little bit short of doctors, particularly from some specialties, particularly from neurology and more particularly from pediatric neurology. [00:13:00] Um, most of the prescriptions are from pain. We have pain doctors prescribing 60% of the prescriptions are for pain cause it’s remarkably good as a painkiller. Um, but 20, 25% of the prescriptions are for psychiatric conditions such as anxiety or depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder. Um, and then, uh, about 15 or so percent for neurological conditions, including multiple sclerosis, um, Tourette syndrome, a variety of other things like gastrointestinal disorders, some cancer symptom treatment for cancer. And of course, what changed the law, pediatric epilepsy. So that’s roughly where we are at the moment, which is obviously some progress, but given in the UK, it’s thought that there was about 1.4 million people who use cannabis every day for medical purposes, not recreational plus those who are not criminalizing themselves. We [00:14:00] recommend conservatively. There’s about 2 million potential cannabis users for medical purposes in the UK. And we’ve got 12,000. So we have 1.99, whatever it is, million to go, there’s a long, long way to go. And the main problem we’ve had is the extreme reluctance, um, by most of the medical profession, uh, to prescribe a great deal of cynicism, a great deal. I think it’s largely still due to the stigma associated with cannabis. I’ll go through the reasons briefly, many adopters, and I don’t agree with any of it, but I will say what they say. Um, there was a lack of evidence, that is true. If you look at cannabis as a pharmaceutical product, and it is not a pharmaceutical product, clearly as a botanical product, doesn’t lend itself to pharmaceutical approach. Um, so it double blind placebo controlled studies. That doesn’t work for cannabis. It’s a multi compound plant with 147, I think it is cannabinoids and a hundred turpines and equal number [00:15:00] of flavonoids. It’s a very complicated plant. Doesn’t lend itself to a pharmaceutical approach. Many doctors, including the government body of NICE again, they’ve said there’s not enough evidence because they’ve looked at it as a pharmaceutical product. Um, if they look at the real world evidence, there is overwhelming evidence for its efficacy, particularly in pain and anxiety. And of course, epilepsy less evidence for other things. Um, so that’s where we are at the moment they say, there’s not enough evidence, the say that, their therefore not going to prescribe it until it is till that evidence is there. Um, which probably means they’ll never prescribed because we’ll never have the evidence that is of a pharmaceutical basis. So what we’re doing to counteract that we are launching media campaigns, we have launched media campaigns in the UK. We’ve been a little bit we’ve, we’ve had to attack some of the doctor bodies they’ve produced some wrong, um, simply incorrect, um, guidance. So we’ve corrected that particularly the British pediatric neurology [00:16:00] association has been particularly antagonistic. So we’re doing our best with that. Um, there are some bodies to support the patients and the, those who might benefit and do that very well. It’s a very much patient driven initiative that changed the law and continues to support themselves. And we formed coming back to the body that is part of the world council, the medical cannabis collision society. We formed that on the day the law changed. Um, we now have, I’m pleased to say just short of 300 members who are all clinicians. I need not to be doctors, medical doctors, pharmacists, nurses, allied health professionals, any clinician involved in the medical cannabis space. And we offer teaching for doctors and it’s through that organization that, actually it’s about 200 doctors that have been taught, some of them just wanted to know about cannabis and someone had to prescribe it. And I’m all for education for those who don’t want to prescribe it so they can offer an informed opinion to that, to their patient, [00:17:00] because we’ve got many examples, um, of uninformed opinion. We offer international support Google group. So if you have a question about a particular patient, anonymously you can record that in our group and you get a reply from anywhere across the world. Actually we’d have very quick replies from States or Canada or Uruguayan Nigeria. We’re about to form an Italian branch as we have many international members as Dick’s interest in Italy at the moment also Denmark. Um, so I think we’re on the verge of, I, it sounds frightfully grandiose, but perhaps renaming it, not from the UK medical cannabis commission society, but the, the world medical cannabis collision society or Europe or something simply because we’re getting, there’s very few of these societies that exist in the cannabis communities around the world. And it’s nice to be able to support them through this society. And we offer teaching training webinars. And the overarching of support for the doctors, because in this country, you can’t just write a [00:18:00] prescription for cannabis. Once you’ve decided that’s the right thing for your patient, then you have to get approval from a peer support body, which doesn’t happen to any other medicine in the UK. Uh, so that’s another hurdle that cannabis prescribers have to jump and we offer that society offers that peer support to approve the cannabis prescriptions. Um, so that’s where we are. We are progressing. It’s been a rather slow and painful business. The government could do more to help us. And we’re trying to campaign with the government as well, for example, to get GPs to be primary prescribers or not, they can do follow-up prescriptions, they cannot initiate prescription. So we’re, we’re lobbying government. Um, and also mainly we’re trying to lobby the medical bodies, uh, such as they are to at least not necessarily agree with us, but at least be open-minded to say that if people who come to the end of the road with their pain prescriptions or their anxiety prescriptions, or their epilepsy prescriptions, be [00:19:00] open-minded enough to try a medicine that we know works for many, many people, not everybody, but works for many and most particularly is safe. And it is remarkably safe. If it’s sensibly prescribed the chances of a serious complications, like psychosis are absolutely minimal. I’m not going to play it down to it’s totally safe, but in sensible prescription, it is remarkably safe. And if you look at the efficacy rates, just final point, um, the efficacy rates from a project in the UK called drug science, 2021 program, had a 96% response rate for the children with epilepsy. When they’ve responded not at all to licensed medication, that is truly a remarkable result. Um, and if you look at the repeat people coming back to the clinic, which is a sort of surrogate marker for the fact that they’ve had a reasonable response, I suppose, to the medicine, that’s about an 80% repeat prescription rate. So for people with very resistant conditions who haven’t responded to other medications or treatments, [00:20:00] it is remarkably successful, but I’m certainly not going to advocate that it’s a cure all for all conditions known to man, which you can see on the internet, but for the right person for the right condition prescribed correctly and sensibly, it’s a very useful medicine and it should be more widely used. And I think I’ve passed my allotted time by about a minute. So I’ll stop talking and I’m very happy to answer any questions that you have. Thank you. Dr. Katarina Lindley: Professor Barnes, thank you so much for your presentation. Um, my colleague, Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg is a co-host today and she’ll ask you some questions that have been posted in our chat. Thank you. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Thank you so much, Professor Barnes. Very interesting to follow your speech. Um, we have questions here. One, for example, from my lovely steering committee member Tess Lawrie. Um, she says that, um, how different is the pharmaceutical product compared to the natural product that is easily grown? Professor Michael Barnes: Yeah, you can. Um, I was, I didn’t have time to [00:21:00] develop that, but some of the companies developing isolates, that’s isolated, just THC or just CBD, which are the main components of the plant, as I’m sure many of, you know. They work. And if you take, um, nearly isolate CBD called Epidiolex developed by GW Pharma, um, they, uh, that, that medicine works for children with epilepsy about nearly half, about 43% of the children improve their seizures by at least 50%, which is a remarkable result. But if you look, if you use the whole plant, the full spectrum product, you can move that you can put about double that figure of between 70 and 80% of the children will reduce their seizures by at least 50%. So I think that’s an example of a so-called entourage effect where the full plant is more efficacious than the individual components of the plant. So personally, I would only ever prescribe full spectrum. A whole plant product because simply because it works better, the dose is lower and therefore the [00:22:00] side effects are less. So, um, I understand why they’ve developed isolates because you can treat it as if it’s a pharmaceutical medicine. You can compare an isolate to a placebo and do a double blind placebo controlled pharmaceutical type study. So I absolutely understand why some companies are pursuing that route, but, uh, I think it’s a bit of a shame because the full plant works better. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Thank you so much. Um, from my other student committee member, Mark Trozzi from Canada, um, he asks if people in the UK can grow cannabis or have license to grow so they can be released extreme financial burden. Professor Michael Barnes: Um, no, they can’t. Um, sadly I think that’s, uh, that’s another very good debate in the UK. It’s otherwise, other than the context of a doctor prescribing it, it’s illegal. We can prescribe it for any condition. That’s good. We can prescribe it in any format except smoking. We cannot prescribe smoking. Perhaps we wouldn’t as a medicine anyway, but we can prescribe for vaping. [00:23:00] And indeed 60% of the prescriptions are for vaping with dried flower. 60%, 40% are mainly oil. The other formats like tablets are coming in. Um, so, but you can’t grow your own legally at the moment. Uh, of course there’s a case to be made for that because people then can grow a particular strain that suits their particular condition. Um, and of course it would avoid the cost, cost of growing a cannabis plant is relatively cheap, but at the moment, growing your own cannabis for any purpose is illegal. And of course we haven’t yet even started a debate in the UK really about adult use as they have in Canada. That, so I don’t think that will happen in the foreseeable future. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Thank you. Um, another question, many vaccine adverse events are neurological. Do you have any experience of, or guidance for the use of cannabinoids for neurological vaccine injury? Professor Michael Barnes: Neurological vaccine injuries, did you say? Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Yes. Professor Michael Barnes: [00:24:00] No. Um, no, I think we shouldn’t forget that the cannabis is largely a symptom helper rather than a disease curer. The one exception over time may be that it does actually help some particular types of cancer, but we don’t think we’re there yet. So for any sort of vaccine or other neurological damage, it can be remarkably helpful for quality of life improvement, uh, for pain. If that’s an issue, for muscle spasm, spasticity, if that’s an issue. For, certainly for anxiety, for sleep, for insomnia. So there’s a variety of complications and problems that can follow neurological vaccine damage that may be helped by cannabis. Uh, but it doesn’t obviously affect the direct vaccine damage itself. There is a study starting in the, in the UK now actually it was, um, sort of press release last week of using cannabis for long Covid. Because there was some indication, some indication very early, uh, that actually cannabis, both CBD and THC can reduce the [00:25:00] chances of acquiring COVID and might, uh, reduce the chances of, of acquiring long COVID as a result of initial infection. They’re very earliest studies, but there’s some theoretical evidence that may be the case. So they’re trying, uh, adjusting 30 patients as a trial, an early project trial to see if we can reduce the incidents or help the symptoms of long COVID. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Thank you so much. Um, then there is another question. Could you do online training for doctors elsewhere in the world? Professor Michael Barnes: Uh, yes, I’ve done. Um, the society does, it happens to be me that mostly does the online training. Uh, it doesn’t have to be me. Um, uh, but yes, we I’ve done training. It doesn’t- with zoom of course, like tonight, it doesn’t really matter where people are. I could be doing a cannabis training now globally. So yes, the society, um, can gladly put on some international training days, if that will be helpful to the members or to anyone else. [00:26:00] Um, I do a training once a month, mainly to UK doctors. That again,, that can be broadened globally if need be. So, yes, I’m more than happy to do that. If people identify people, who’ve got my email, I’m very happy to share it, but they can drop me a note. Um, did we share the email or can it be shared? I’m very happy to communicate with people if. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Okay with you, we will share it. Professor Michael Barnes: Yeah, that’s great. That’s fine. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Okay. Another question from Australia, from Steven, I am secretary of the Australian Industrial Hemp Alliance, the peak body for hemp in Australia. We also cover medicinal cannabis. What is the UN’s current position on down-regulating the controls on medicinal cannabis. And how can all of us influence the UN to proceed with this downregulation to make medicine much more freely available? Professor Michael Barnes: Yeah, that’s a very good point. As you know, what, what limits many countries is the UN single convention on drugs of [00:27:00] 1961. Um, they have downgrade is perhaps the wrong word. There’s moves to reduce that international restriction isn’t that they’ve looked at CBD and determined. It’s not narcotic. So there is some loosening of those regulations. Of course, now it’s not hardly widely ignored, but it is ignored in 55 countries where cannabis has been made legal, but they’ve many countries have for medical purposes, but many countries have had to jump through sort of unnecessary, bureaucratic hoops and twisted things around, uh, to apparently get around the UN single convention. It would so much easier if the UN just scrapped the UN’s single convention in context of cannabis. So I think anybody in the World Council for Health is, is very, um, being a global body is very useful at, um, uh, putting an opinion to the UN. So the World Health Organization, uh, as well to, to try and that’s called it deregulate the cannabis through changes to the UN single convention. So I think that’s a, that’s a task of the, [00:28:00] uh, some of the global players on this call could, uh, we could coordinate to try and influence things are happening, but not quick enough. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Thank you. And then there is another question from my lovely steering committee Shabnam. Um, there are clear conflicts of interest involved in healthcare. What impact would be criminalization have on those who profit from the criminal justice system versus these who need the medicine? Professor Michael Barnes: Um, yeah, some countries has gone down a decriminalization route, uh, which is a perfectly valid route. Personally, this is very much for debate. Um, I’m not sure if that’s hugely helpful, um, because if you decriminalize you, you, people will still access the black market. Um, and there’s some very good people on the black market. I have to say, but equally, there’s the quality of the product is by no means guaranteed. People will go to the black market they don’t know quite what to take or how to take it. They don’t know quite what’s in the product they’re getting, even if it’s a good product. [00:29:00] And all will happen if we decriminalize is that they won’t be criminally prosecuted for that. So it doesn’t really take us further forward in terms of getting a good quality, consistent, safe medicine. So personally, and I understand the decriminalization argument, but personally, I would like to see a legalization rather than a decriminalization, and that will help I think, to take it out of the hands of the criminal market and get a good quality consistent product into the hands of those that, that badly needed. You can argue that it should, it shouldn’t be medicalized and therefore with all the paraphernalia of clinics, and prescribing and those costs, um, I can see the argument that it’s certainly, it’s a plant and it should be allowed to grow that plant. Um, but I think there is a case to be made for at least having some medical input. So, or at least professional input call it that I don’t think it has to be medical actually, um, that people can be prescribed safely and [00:30:00] securely with a good quality safe product. Um, so I think there’s a downside to opening the market totally. And I’m not totally in favor of decriminalization as opposed to legalization, but that’s controversial and there I’m very happy to be controversial, but that will be my view. I think we need to ensure there’s a good quality safe product is number one. I don’t think you get that necessarily by decriminalization. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Thank you so much. Um, another question from a steering committee member, Christoff Plothe from Germany, “If we isolate just a handful of active substances for pharmaceutical use, how much synergy of the other ingredients do we lose and how much do we increase potential for side effects in your opinion?” Professor Michael Barnes: I think we lose quite a lot of, um, the efficacy of the plant by taking out the individual components. You can of course do that as what’s been done for Epidelix, which is CBD isolate largely [00:31:00] and Sativex, which is THC and CBD isolate largely, um, you can do it, but as well, I think the entourage effect is undoubtedly scientifically, um, definite and you get a much better response from the whole plant. So I think taking the components of the plant out, you don’t get such a good responses leaving them in. And of course, other than THC and CBD. We don’t know that much about the efficacy and what the other components do. We know a little bit about CBG, maybe CBN, tiny bit about CBC, but we don’t know much about all the 140 others or so, and let alone that much about how the turpines helped direct the efficacy of the cannabis plant. Um, so personally, either I’ve said before, I understand the reasons for taking out the component plants and isolating them and pushing them as a medicine because it’s easier to get them approved. They are medicalized, if you like then. I think you use the goodness of the plant and the overall efficacy of the plant [00:32:00] and the isolates need a higher dose and they have more side effects, about twice the dose. Um, I can’t say twice the side effects that’s too simplistic, but more side-effects or incidents of side effects for isolates. So I think if we’ve got a plant and it’s safer over the lower doses, let’s use the plant and let’s not try and pharmaceuticalized it. If that’s a word. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: One more question. “Given the reality that millions of people will need palliation of symptoms from Jap injuries, what can be done to make it available in countries where it has been not been legalized?” I mean, we heard, um, somehow an answer to that already, but maybe again? Professor Michael Barnes: Yeah, well it’s politics, isn’t it? Um, it’s political view. I, I, there’s no doubt that the dominoes, if that’s the right phrase against cannabis, are falling. You know, we now have 55 countries where it’s legal in some shape or form. Um, it will come globally.[00:33:00] Uh, but equally we all know there will be some countries where it’s going to take many years because it’s got such a deeply entrenched stigma against it. Um, but it’s surprising. I mean, Thailand has now become legal and, uh, you know, they were very, um, very draconian drug laws until quite recently. So I think we might be surprised how we get it to more people worldwide, which is needed is cause very good question, but there’s no quick way of doing that. I think one way is to release the countries, from the constraints of the UN single convention that is, as we said earlier, that’s one thing then I’m sadly to say it’s a lot of lobbying and pushing politics in individual countries. I think it will be helped when, I think Europe or Europe will become generally legal, fairly soon, particularly of large countries, such as Germany, uh, where it’s legal now, medically and soon will be legal from adult use. Um, then I think we’ll see neighboring countries think, well, we can’t have everyone [00:34:00] going to Germany for them. It’s, uh, we better make illegal here. So I think it will go in blocks if you see what I mean. Um, and I think it will spread through what is north and south America. It will be really helpful if, if the legal restrictions in America were relieved federally, then we’d have a lot of expertise from the states, um, coming to be more accessible worldwide. Uh, I’m afraid it’s, um, there’s 198 countries in the world, isn’t there? There’s 55. Yes. We’ve got another 140 countries to influence. So, um, there’s a lot of work to do, uh, but a lot of people do need access to this medicine very desperately. And for many people it will be too late when it’s legal in their particular country. So all we can do is bit by bit chip away and, uh, we will get there in the end. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Yeah, absolutely. Right. So just another comment and one question and, um, so I think then we can move on to our next speaker and we have a comment from our lovely friend and lawyer from Australia. Hi, Charles. Um, hi to [00:35:00] Australia. Um, he, he has a comment and he says, “Pharma is definitely trying to control the cannabis game. It must be resisted. The entourage effect is real, isolates are extreme to enable pharma to control this wonderful plant. So just maybe a comment on, on the whole situation? Professor Michael Barnes: Yes, now sadly, you know, right, this is a threat to the pharmaceutical industry because when cannabis is introduced, you have less prescription of opioids, less prescription anti anxiety, medication, less prescription of anticonvulsant medication. Um, so yes, it is a threat to the profit, the bottom line of big pharmaceutical companies. And I would, that’s, um, you’re right. Sadly, those companies will only develop isolates because the only way they can. Um, push the plants through the pharmaceutical route and you’re quite right that you lose the entourage effect and we can’t become patent the whole plant. So pharmaceutical industries are not going to be interested in the whole plant. Um, so again, that’s a little [00:36:00] bit of a negative. I know, sadly, I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but we know there is lobbying going on from big pharma and for the big successful cannabis companies, stop others coming into the sector and preserve their profits. Sadly, I hope that doesn’t happen, but I fear it will because when profits are involved, sadly industry reacts against the chipping away of their profits. I’m afraid that statement is not controversial just a statement of fact, uh, so we need to keep pushing the fact that it’s the full spectrum, the whole plant that is more beneficial than individual components. And we to keep that message going. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: So thank you for your comment on that. And then last question somehow, um, sums it all up. Um, it is again, “Do you think the cost could be substantially less if one has access to the plant rather than the pharmaceutical product?” Professor Michael Barnes: Uh, yes, you can. Cannabis is cheap. I mean, it grows by the road side. Um, you can grow basically good quality cannabis for about 10 cents a gram. [00:37:00] Um, generally, if we could equate it with dried flowers, people need about a gram a day, give or take. So, you know, that’s 10 cents a day, uh, 70 cents a week. Work it out for yourself. That’s, comparing many medicines, that’s remarkably cheap. Now, obviously you’ve got to pay people to grow it. They need to, they need to be paid to grow it. It will need to be packaged. It needs to be extracted. It needs to be exported. I mean, there’s a lot of other people in the supply chain when it comes to the consumer. But to put a price on it in the UK now, which is artificially because there’s not many people prescribed it. We’re looking at about five pounds Sterling a gram, which is actually cheaper than the street price. The average street price in the UK is about nine pounds Sterling, a gram. So even now we can provide prescription cannabis cheaper than the street cannabis. But with volume and, um, better supply chain, um, it can become even [00:38:00] cheaper than that. So it is, it’s not an expensive medicine. It is a cheaper medicine and that’s another good thing about it. And of course we shouldn’t forget the cannabis plant and the hemp plant, which is the same family, it’s remarkably good for the environment. It’s brilliant at carbon sequestration, it’s good at soil cleansing. The rest of the plant is very good for its fiber. Hempcrete for the developing world for growing, um, you know, houses and, uh, we, even cars and even airplanes built of hemp. Um, so as, a, as a, as a very environmentally friendly product, we shouldn’t forget the rest of the plant is remarkably useful. And, um, in going to go back, I’ll stop talking for a second, the days of Henry the Eighth in the UK, he obligated every farmer who had 50 acres of farmland to grow one eighth of one acre. It’s an old English area of hemp. So even in those days, we should go back to the days of Henry the Eighth and obligate farmers, with the least amount of land, to grow hemp for the benefit of the [00:39:00] environment and the product of it, for the benefit of health. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Um, great presentation and for these words in the end. So I hand over back again to my lovely steering committee member Katarina Lindley, and I say to Chathrina Roland. Hello. Thank you so much. Thank you. Dr. Katarina Lindley: Um, professor Barnes, thank you for your wonderful thoughts on, uh, medical cannabis and its importance in medical treatment of many, many different diseases. Catharina Roland — Dr. Katarina Lindley: our next speaker is Catharina Roland, um, Catharina is a visionary mother, author, adventurous life researcher, world traveler, paradise Gardner yoga, teacher, nature, lover, and filmmaker. So many great things. She’s going to talk us about themes of consciousness, awakening, and the complex interrelationships of life.[00:40:00] Thank you for being a speaker today, Catharina. Catharina Roland: Thank you for introducing me in such a nice way. And, uh, thank you for the invitation to introduce you all to the New Earth Manifesto. And I will first take you on a short journey into my life. And from there we journey to the New Earth Manifesto, which grew out of my life. So you already told many things that I, that I did, um, already soon in my childhood, I have the strong suspicion that there’s much, much more in heaven and earth that frankly philosophy or school’s tried us to make believe. So for 20 years, I was working internationally as a, as a commercial director and I could take a deeper look into the astonishing, astonishingly easy way how we humans can be driven in the trance of believing that we are separate from [00:41:00] nature, that we need things to be happy, that there’s no deeper sense in life, that we need to fear other beings, wars, terrorists, CO2, ticks, or viruses, and that we need to fight to survive. And that we are all alone in the universe. And God is if he is somewhere far out and not reachable. And all those ingredients I learned, um, I needed to put people collectively into this fear of life and this hypnosis, the trance we perceive now everywhere. This, uh, into this illness and we don’t even need a vaccination to, uh, to become ill through the whole life. And what we just learned from Professor Barnes, what I realized is that every part of the manifesto, every part of our life is completely switched. Most is 180 degree of what, what keeps [00:42:00] us healthy and our relationship to nature. So my deep wish was born out of this realization to dedicate my life and talents as a filmmaker, to the theme of awakening from the old matrix into a higher consciousness. So my first movie, it’s called “Awake” [Speaks German] in German and English it’s “Awake in a Dream.” Um, which became in the German speaking area, a kind of key movie in the, in the consciousness and spiritual, uh, scene. It’s supporting people to realize who we truly are in our essence, underneath our programming, which is infinite and eternal beings of light, pure consciousness and pure love. I think that’s the, the answer to everything. Um, 2018, my second movie is called [00:43:00] awake to paradise premiered in a German speaking countries. And I soon will release it also to the English market. Um, this movie shows the intimate connection of us humans to each other, to nature, to the plants, of course, um, to the Earth and how we can awaken and finally can become gardeners of paradise. And, um, in the summer of 2019, after a phase of 5G, uh, active wisdom where I tried, um, not very successfully to, to, um, to show or to make people realize that that, uh, technical, um, produced, uh, electromagnetic radiation is not good for our bodies is not good for the plants, it’s not good for animals. Um, something very interesting happened because I started to write my third movie inspired by this 5G research and, um, a science [00:44:00] fiction film, which, uh, which, um, takes place at the end of the Kali Yuga. So this I don’t, I guess you’re all familiar with it, this, this area of darkness, which is called, which is described in the Vedics, for example, or on different parts of the world, which we are leaving now to enter a new phase of humanity, a phase of awakening. And, um, what I wrote in this film, um, was that the, the, um, the dark side is trying to suppress as humans before we can ascend and to trying to finally enslave us into transhumanism. And I wrote it 2019, and I wrote, wrote that the dark side, uh, would spread a virus, which was created in a laboratory and increase the chance of people by weakening them 24/7 into a state of [00:45:00] fear till they scream for salvation, which is, was a vaccination, that not only changes our holy DNA that we need for Ascension into a more divine consciousness, but also, uh, include RFID microchips, um, to connect us to a kind of smart grid. That was the movie plot of the dark side, in a few words, but there is of course the side of the light, which is much stronger and it will win. When we are enough humans that realize our potential when we come together, like we are now and remind each other who we really are and what we are capable of when we deprogram of sales from the matrix, unify our powers, um, and, and, and come together, create the new [00:46:00] world from the depth of our hearts. Um, then we, I’m sure we can even create paradise on earth. So one thing we really need to realize is that we inherit amazing powers, that we are, and I guess we all know, but it’s always good to remind us that we are true creators of the world we perceive around us and we know the law of attraction. We, of course we use it also as you, as doctors, that says that everything we think and empower with the feeling, might be joy or fear for example, draws like a magnet into our lives what we think and feel. And I think this is key to understand now that we, everything we collectively think and feel creates our collective reality. So by constantly repeating the danger of a virus, the danger of [00:47:00] loving connections, the danger of breathing freely, the danger of children playing together, the danger of hugging our grandparents were co-creating this situation. And I see that we are kind of abused to keep the old matrix going by everything that comes out of the media. Um, so, and we are like made of, made like, um, real junkies of the media media and put into this collective hypnosis. And when we are fed with more and more of those horror scenarios, Um, then we think the horror out there is normal. So, um, somewhere now we crossed the border between my movie script and what we are experiencing now. So, uh, when I realized that already when I write it was writing that 2019 and the more important it became when I, [00:48:00] when I continued my research and the whole movie started to appear on the, on, on the outsides and on the screen of my life, I thought what we really need is, um, we need good thoughts collectively, and a good vision that we can share collectively of what we do want to create, a kind of ray of hope. That’s at the end of the tunnel and sparkles for us. So we, we know where we go and we can, um, envision a world, an earth where life is healthy. Again, our relationships to ourselves, to each other to nature are healthy and are based on love and compassion. And the deep knowing that we are interconnected with nature, like with the plant, like Professor Barnes was telling before, with the integral parts of nature, um, on [00:49:00] so many levels. So we can consciously put our attention to this beautiful world and create this world. And I like the, like a quote of Buckminster Fuller, who everybody knows, of course. And it’s, it’s also quoted very often, but I like to repeat it. It’s “You never change things by fighting the existing reality, to change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” So in the summer of 2020, after a deep journey into the dark side, that we all accounter now on our adventurous journey here on Planet Earth, I started to collect solutions for every area of the world of the, of our lives, uh, beautiful projects, uh, from gentle birth to changing our concept of death. And, um, I started on my own, but the whole thing grew [00:50:00] very fast with my friend, Coco Tash who joined the vision. And then we ask amazing people like for example, also, um, Christoff Plothe, which I, whom I saw here, uh, to fund the, uh, council of wise ones of specialists, each area of life and, uh, We now had 200 people like actively writing the New Earth Manifesto and which was born in 2021, uh, officially. And I’m happy to invite you now to a journey. I was editing, um, a short movie of the manifesto this afternoon, and I’m happy to share it because it has nice music and the like that to enjoy it like this: Screen Sharing: Video: The New Earth Manifesto, consists of eight main chapters, and the following guiding principle. [00:51:00] Each of our actions and every law is always oriented towards the good of all life, in respect, compassion and mindfulness for the Earth and true diversity. In Love, Truth, Freedom, Equality, Fraternity, Peace. The first chapter deals with the health of all life and shows very concrete solutions from rebuilding the base of all life, the soils, to cleaning our waters, our air, from renaturing our forests, the production of healing food to pollutant free production, or treating our animals in a loving way. In the new healing spaces replacing the old hospitals, people are healed in harmony with and supported by nature. Humans are seen as much more than physical mechanical [00:52:00] bodies but as multidimensional beings as an intimate part of the Earth ecosystem and living organism herself. It is seen as essential to support the excellent self-healing powers and the immune system to heal and prevent diseases. Every illness is furthermore seen as an opportunity for healing and growth. So medicine no longer focuses on symptoms, but on identifying the causes and preventing the disease. People are offered healthy, rejuvenating foods, holistic therapy methods, natural herbs and remedies, and well tested and already successfully applied healing methods based on quantum frequencies, energy information, are fully recognized, applied, and taught. The birth of humans and all living beings is honoured as a sacred ritual. The fear of [00:53:00] death is gone. Any form of artificially applied technology that can negatively affect living organisms or the entire Earth will be shut down and dismantled. Technique is only used to serve people and nature. Only Light frequencies are used that the human immune system and we reconnect to Earth natural cycles. So we also proposed to come back to a [inaudible]. The second chapter offers the beauty and power of developing our potential. From the very beginning, children are supported in remembering their inborn potential. They are empowered to find their unique talents and they are offered adventure playgrounds connected to nature and to sustainable farms, to explore life according to their own inner play. Chilcren of all ages are [00:54:00] encouraged to question what they have learned and find the answers within themselves. Children and adults are supported in finding their unique artistic expression, the creativity, learn craftmenship and reconnect to the cultural expressions of our ancestors. Universities are fully independent. Students are asked to question the old scientific principles, tap into higher wisdom and soon universities can become workshops for the future. Our elder people and people with special needs are fully integrated into our society. Our new reason to travel is to offer our support for healing and to explore and protect the Beauty of nature. People in former exploited countries regain their self determination and autonomy. The third chapter shows how our economy can work in cycles, [00:55:00] with no waste. Products have a long life and are easily repairable. The goal of companies is no longer primarily profits at the real satisfaction of customers needs. The happiness of employees and the enduring health of the Earth. Only small, and medium-size companies that work truly sustainable are funded. With research new sustainable energy systems, free energy, and of course, all old patterns are free now. Our economy is based on fraternity and cooperation. Chapter Four invites us to explore and enjoy the joyful life in the new villages and green cities with their sustainable architecture, their beautiful collaborations, their nurturing neighborhoods and their autonomy. Chapter Five offers us how a new form of administration [00:56:00] free of party systems and lobbyism can work. Based on the universal principles of nature and supported by cycles of wise people who have proven in the past that the are not only highly competent and responsible, but also capable of thinking beyond their actual area of expertise. While having demonstrated that they’re loving, concerned about the wellbeing and health of all life. Chapter six introduces our peacekeepers and legal guardians and offers a new way of supporting people who committed a crime to realize themselves and support the community at the same time. Of course, our money system, Chapter Seven, the base of slavery up till now is also completely new and serves the growth of human potential and the restoration of nature.[00:57:00] And finally Chapter Eight shows our media transformed from being awakened into a constant reminder of the beauty of being. Our lives became so interesting that we seldom feel the necessity to watch or listen to media. But when you do so we receive news that always transports solutions and remind us of our self-responsibility and inherent beauty and powers. Catharina Roland: Thank you for journeying with me with the New Earth Manifesto. This was about six minutes. The whole manifesto is much, much longer and very, very, very detailed. There is, um, a movie about, uh, of the manifesto, which can be used. Um, and I know a lot [00:58:00] of therapists were using the manifesto. Um, to, to first give hope to the clients. And I can just share when my mother who’s vaccinated, like the rest of my, like, like my, my family, um, who were very suspicious of me because I’m talking on conspiracy theorists, uh, stages, and I’m not wearing a mask since the beginning and I’m not believing the whole thing, but she was really touched. And then for, from people who are, um, like on the other side of the, of the, of the, of the big, uh, [speaks German] that they are, uh, I think this, this, this shared vision can bring us together. And, um, I’m very happy if it’s going to be used by all of you. There are like communities built on this and, and radio shows built on this. And we’re now, um, building a platform where we, [00:59:00] uh, give them even more details. And every, every single theme where people can connect and create, uh, create, uh, um, projects and it’s in, in kind of all languages available and on the 22nd of February, 2022 at 2022, we’re intending and I want to invite you, a really huge thing all over the world where we want to invite people to, um, to come together and, and watch the videos in every language, create this, uh, this vision inside of them. The, the images feel them smell them, put them into the, into the field of information so we can really make a huge shift on, on the earth. And I think it’s possible. And I say, thank you. And I’m ready. If [01:00:00] there are questions, I’m ready to answer the questions and thank you, Maria, for, for inviting me to come here and, and, um, allow me to share the New Earth Manifesto. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Thank you so much, Catharina, you are really, um, so, um, you know, you’re such a big inspiration for so many people because, um, you and your friends and, um, all, all of people around the world who are like-minded and like-hearted, we know that there is a better way. And we from the World Council for Health we also know there is this better way, and we can, we can find it together. We can walk the path together. And of course we know that all these points that this beautiful short movie showed to us, um, it is possible, uh step-by-step to come towards such a future. And I know that there are people who say this is utopian, and this is not going to work and so on and so forth. And we all know this, but we know that if we have something, you know, in [01:01:00] mind and in our hearts, that we will together build this new, um, architecture for life, for wellbeing on Earth. And I know that even if just 10%, and I know all your work, you know, and all of the movies that you have made so far. So I know that even if we just reached 10%, the world would be just such a lovely place to live on. And it is a lovely place to live on because we know that we came here because we have things to do. And, um, we know that it is as it is, and we had to find each other. And so even, um, better to know where we can reach out to and your platform, the New Earth Manifesto.com is a webpage that was translated, I think, in English, but in the other languages with this automatic translation program. But it works pretty well. I think even in, in so many other languages and people can find all the information there. So I think there are, um, there’s one question, but more, there are [01:02:00] so many lovely comments in our chat and I want to read out some of them if this is okay for you. And then of course, a question as well. Um, there is somebody in the chat and wrote, “Yes! When you were talking the, transmute our thoughts from lead to gold, it’s the true law of mentalism with, with it the highest spiritual law in which enables us to create our realities. Super empowering. Thank you, Catharina!” And then, “So important to have a vision of the world, which we will face soon. Thanks so much, Catharina then another lovely comment, pure alchemy. Um, and then, um, there is so many other lovely comments that, um, Mark Trozzi says, uh, we would love to have links to the Manifesto and Catharina’s materials and work. And we really appreciate if we can spread the work, you know, and, and legals to our groups as well. And, um, your [01:03:00] is, um, a very lovely, um, important question from my colleague, Mark Trozzi, “He says I strongly support urgent disabling of 5G, essentially a weapon being pointed at everyone. I’ve spoken with Canadian federal government on this, and they told me, “Honestly, cell phone companies have more power than the government. And though the bureaucrats I spoke with believed my concerns re: um, EMF and especially 5G are very real and they also fear for their children, but they said they can and will do nothing. Any ideas. How do we get rid of this?” Catharina Roland: I, I strongly believe, uh, after, after doing a lot of activism on, um, in this area and trying to, to, uh, introduce people to this idea, because I think if we would all become aware of what’s going on, um, I know countries where people started to bring down the, the 5G towers and I think it’s, it’s it’s [01:04:00] we have to overcome the trance and we have to awaken people. Cause I, I stopped doing this activism and I started to, to do, to go the other way. And I think that’s much stronger. And I think when we really become enough people who say no, but this also means that we don’t use them anymore in the way we are using it. That’s like my friend or our friend, Christopher Cloeter we do, I don’t know if you ever had one, um, and, uh, and become good examples of how we can live without it. Um, Yeah, I think, I think it’s really, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s really this, and with this shift in our mind and our consciousness, this will crumble because it’s so much interwoven also with the, with the pharmaceutical and the, and the, and the financial, um, like huge, huge companies and powers that we need to strengthen our powers. And we are so many [01:05:00] more and we just have to, to support the growth of consciousness, and this will fall away because it can’t work. We are so strongly feel that we are at the edge of this, of this shift and that, because this is also a way of, of, of, of super manipulation. I wrote a fairy tale and they would love to put the link into the, in which also describes how this, for example is used to manipulate us, but we need to grow out of it and become super conscious in everything we do, what we buy, what we, what we think, what we put out into the field. Of course, I would love to say, take dynamite and burn the whole thing down, but, uh, maybe this is going to happen when we have this big, huge realization that we are much more than flesh and bones collectively, and that we are electromagnetic beings. I think this, um, [01:06:00] to introduce this idea to people, because I think 99% of our amazing powers have totally suppressed. And we’re in the Truman show to introduce this, talk about it, put it out into the field and also make people aware how amazing they are. Like being in an electromagnetic being is a miracle. It’s beautiful. You can use it for wonderful things. If that grows, we will soon realize, oh my God, what are we doing here? Let’s, let’s stop that. That’s, I can’t say much more at the moment, but I’m, I’m feeling we’re really close to sifting the whole thing. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Thank you so much Catharina. So this is, um, of course the topic, 5G, that we know that we cared about a lot already before the pandemic started. So the thing is, I think, um, yeah, as in our vision, you know, without, without all these extreme technologies, of course we are right now using technologies to, you know, get in [01:07:00] contact with each other. But I think we know there’s 4G or 3G and should have worked already with that. And we know 5G. And there’s much more about that. Then we will have, um, speakers about that as well. I hope in the future, but the thing is, um, there are so many, um, um, you know, thoughts that people bring and is there a chance that they get, you know, if they have ideas for their manifesto that they can get in contact with you? Catharina Roland: Absolutely. For now in the, in the manifest, by the way, which is also directly translated in English and in French, because language is so important. Um, there’s a field first as a field of comments underneath every chapter where you can put your ideas for the moment. We looked through all the ideas and every year we, we met, like, we it’s like an organism that’s growing every year. We, we renew it and we write it. And in the, in the, in the, in the near future, like our idea is on the 15th of April, we will [01:08:00] launch the living Earth.. The living Earth is a, is a platform for networking and for information. And there every one of you has the opportunity to write articles, put your projects in, find people to work with. That’s the idea, um, send you recipes, your tools, everything put all the information we have that’s related into building the new earth into the living earth, one platform, living Earth platform, and you will find it on the living Earth.one and the best thing for now would be to subscribe for the [email protected] because they’re we’re constantly sending news information. And we also invite for telegram groups on building communities or, um, installing new, um, new schools are other topics and you’re very [01:09:00] happy to be there. And either we answer or the collective intelligence will bring the answer. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Lovely. So thank you for that. And, um, so people that hear you now know that they can become part of the Manifesto with bringing in their comments, bringing in ideas and you, and your lovely team will work on all this input. That is great to hear. So thank you so much. And, um, yeah, Catharina, um, I can’t thank you enough because your, your movies are their true inspiration and after a hard day, when you look at one of your movies, you, you know, relax and calm down and, you know, there is a better way. So the thank you so much for your work, keep up the good work, and we hope to see you soon again, and, um, would love to, of course, work together with you in so many ways. Thank you so much. Catharina Roland: So lovely, lovely, thank you, Maria. And thank you for this, for this amazing platform and that I was allowed to be here and talk to you and connect to you, and I’m happy for everything [01:10:00] that we will create together in the future, bye! Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Super. Thank you. So I hand over the mic to Katarina Lindely, okay. Thank you. Dr. Katarina Lindley: Thank you, Catharina for sharing your vision. Um, I’m a family doctor and I find that when I discuss even the biggest problems with my patients, if we send positive energy out, receive positive energy, and then we always talk about the power of prayer, the power of hope and power of love. So it’s wonderful to hear, um, about the manifesto and, um, that be all need some love in our life, right? We always tend to look at these big problems and, uh, forget that there are lots of things we can do to, for all of us have a better life. So thank you very much for sharing your vision with us. Coalition Partners – THJ — Dr. Katarina Lindley: And next, and we have a coalition partner introduction. So, uh, for our coalition partner today, we’re going to have Shabnam Palesa Mohamed She’s an award [01:11:00] winning, activist, journalist and mediation practitioner as a South African activist. She advocates for human rights across the world from the right to health, to children’s rights, pro poor work and anti-war campaigns as a journalist, she produces her human rights focused show called The People’s Voice.. She also produces a trailblazing health focus program called Catalyst for TrialSite News. She’s also co-director of Transformative Health Justice, which advocates for safe, effective, and affordable healthcare. And she holds an independent vaccine adverse effect reporting system called SAVAERS. She’s a committee steering committee member of the World Council for Health and steering committee member of the international Legal Alliance for Health. Welcome Shabnam. Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you very much, Dr. Katrina Lindley, and I’m really feeling the love in this gathering that we have today. [01:12:00] And I want to just share that the other side of Love, the other side of the coin that is love is solidarity. And with that being said, thank you for that wonderful introduction. It is my honor to present to the general assembly of the World Council for Health the SAVAERS project, which is a project of Transformative Health Justice based in South Africa. I’ll be sharing my screen. So it’s a, this is a data and advocacy project for transparency and accountability. The South African Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. Ultimately what the project does is a platform to report jab effects, injuries, and death. It is independent, alternative and in the public interest very briefly in terms of background, we quickly realized in South Africa that we needed to have an alternative and independent reporting system for ‘inverted commas’ [01:13:00] “vaccine” related harm injuries and death. And so our mission is transparency, accountability, and health. With the vision, being a healthier and more informed population living within our country, our objectives are three. And that is to give jab victims and survivors a voice to raise awareness through the data and to enhance attempts at transparency and accountability. Our values can be summarized in one word, and that is Ubuntu, it is south African and Guni language word, which means oneness or humanity, or in other words, I am because you are. How is data collected? Members of the public that includes victims, um, or their families, survivors, healthcare professionals with friends and neighbors reporting into the website savaers.co.za Very quickly a data [01:14:00] summary to date, but first to mention the under-reporting factor, which is very important, my good friend and expert in VAERS Dr. Jessica Rose has calculated that the under-reporting factor is at least 31x. So when you’re looking at any database of adverse effects, remember to multiply it by at least 31x to go to her Substack, um, unacceptable Jessica, you will find her reasoning and how she explains this under-reporting factor. Two to also remember that socio economic factors play a massive role the reporting or non-reporting of adverse effects. In South Africa, for example, given the fact that the masses of our people are unemployed and live in poverty, naturally, they will have an impact on their ability to know that such a system exists to have internet data, to report into the system, very expensive here. To have access to technology, to do the report. And of course the other issues that people face is sometimes they’re too [01:15:00] sick to do the reporting or they feel, “What is the point of reporting? What is actually going to happen in our country?” For example, not one person has been compensated yet for vaccine related adverse effects, injuries, or harm. So currently we’re involved in the process of collating all of the data between two of our SAVAERS forms. Uh, but I’m going to take you through what is available the preliminary data currently. In December, as you can see on the left 46 deaths and 498 other reports post jab on the right is a form based essay. There’s a form B, which we’ll be using going forward because it gives us more granular data that is both qualitative and quantitative. And you can even see the worst effective provinces in our country, uh, to be confirmed, of course, 699 reports and climbing, unfortunately, 60 deaths, what kind of adverse effects are people experiencing? So if I look at the type or the [01:16:00] form that we are utilizing, I’m able to tell you the range of adverse effects that people are experiencing. This goes from physical effects that we ask about, which includes, uh, body pains, migraines, tiredness, dizziness, anaphylaxis, chest pain, coughing, loss of appetite, heart arythmia, palpitations, uh, blurred vision. Um, and so it goes on and on visual, bell’s palsy, COVID-19 infection, menstrual issues, et cetera. So a whole range of adverse effects that people are experiencing. What SAVAERS also does is asks about any mental, emotional, or cognitive effects after having taken the job. 39% of respondents say they have insomnia, they cannot sleep. 36% sadness, anxiety, depression, 29% confusion, amnesia, memory loss, 25% irritation, anger, or aggression, 5.7% breakdown or psychotic episode, suicide, dementia. And of course, more [01:17:00] than one response is allowed so that people can have a voice to express what it is that they’re going through. Uh, in terms of the form, we ask the five classes of questions. The first is of course, details of the ‘inverted commas’ ‘vaccinated person’. Number two, please tell us, uh, about your health prior to taking the job. Number three, please share your experience of taking jab. Number four, what happened after taking the job and number five communications and consent. And here is where my training as a lawyer is extremely important. We have to have informed consent from everyone who reports into the system and we have to respect their right to privacy, dignity, um, and, and human rights in a, another question that we ask, which you can see 3L has the vaccinated person recovered. You can see 56.2% of people. They know that again, in a country like ours, with a, uh, fractured at best public health [01:18:00] system. This is an enormous problem for those who cannot access health services. And that is the problem being experienced by victims when they approach both the public, as well as the private health system, because neither is equipped in how to deal with them or treat them, or in fact, denies that it is related to the shots. Uh, another Christian, if an extreme adverse effect was experienced, what was the result? As you can see 57% experiencing long-term illness, and we will have to think about the effect on the economy, uh, as well as of course, the psyche of the person who’s affected and may not be able to work and look after themselves or their family. This is another interesting question that we ask in a very important one, who do you believe should be held responsible in their personal professional capacities? You can see the percentages there. Um, and they probably will shift as we continue to develop the, uh, the, uh, the data that’s coming in. And as people realize who is responsible and where they should be more transparency and accountability. [01:19:00] 4D- do you believe that the vaccinated person was lied to et cetera? You can see 34.2% say yes, of course, deeply problematic because they will now have trust issues in the public health system, in media that may not have told them about adverse effects. Uh, and of course, in the, the government officials, um, who signed up into these agreements and rolled them out. We are seeing, of course, both children and adults reporting into the SAVAERS system in terms of advocacy. We are also engaged in interviews, as well as the creation of awareness videos. And we have, uh, invited advisors and advocates to join the SAVAERS community. And their very glad to accept, I’ll be introducing them to you shortly, in terms of international support. Of course, we’re very proud to be a partner of World Council for Health. And if we have [01:20:00] time I’ll touch on the cost benefit analysis of the jabs and becoming a survivor or a victim of the injections. These are some of the personal experiences being shared with SAVAERS on the left. I took my child to the doctor. They did a blood test and found that he has no platelets. The doctors now want to diagnose him with ITP. We went within two weeks after the vaccine from barely seeing the inside of the doctor’s office to being hospitalized with zero blood platelets. He has to take medication every day in the middle. Think about it carefully and weigh your options. Once you have a permanent adverse reaction, you can’t reverse it. So if you’re a single parent or sole breadwinner, who will or can fill your role if you can’t? And the right government, hospitals and doctors do not seem informed about negative symptoms post Jab but how to test and treat you. If you want answers, you will be paying a private test to be done. My experience has been awful. This is a sample of some of the interviews that we have been doing with [01:21:00] survivors. As you can see Sean Cowley, a healthy 40 year old male now has experienced paralysis, muscle pains, and more. This is Adelaide Niewenhuys. I’ve interviewed her a couple of months ago. Her husband, again, a healthy happy man, a healthy, happy family passed away after having taken the jab, uh, due to pressure at work and has left three children behind and Adelaine to pick up the pieces of her life. SAVAERS is, um, is also very proud to be associated with the World Council for Health, because we do encourage the voices of victims and advocacy groups to be heard, uh, and hopes to encourage and organize a round table with organizations such as no more silence and others. And more details will be shared with the World Council for Health community as soon as they become available. In terms of how our advisors and advocates as I mentioned, [01:22:00] as you can see: Professor Dr. Nathi Medlala, top left, who’s been with the project from the beginning, Dr. Sakhiwo Yako, he is both a doctor and a traditional leader, Dr. EV Rapiti very popular and well-known in South Africa, Dr. Shankara Chetty recently presented in the European Union, Dr. Pinky Ngcakani a very outspoken as well. Dr. Herman Edeling, um, very proud to have him onboard, Dr. Ivan Jardeen is a loyal supporters, Dr. Tess Lawrie, of course whose support means the world to us, Dr. Jessica Rose, whose analysis you will see on VAERS has done analysis on SAVAERS and we look forward to working with her in future. Dr. Peter McCullough who’s just agreed to also come on board as an advisor and advocate on the bottom left to be announced very shortly, a very exciting person to have joined the advisors and advocates committee, Dr. Mark Trozzi who was also on the legal and activism committee of the World Council for Health. Fahrie Hassan, who is a molecular biologist and activist Adv Sabelo Sibanda, who spoke at the Understanding [01:23:00] Vaccine Causation Conference also on Saturday and attorney Bongani Luthuli currently engaged in stopping the child jab case here in South Africa. Dr. Zanemvula Sakhiwo Yako as you can see involved in doing videos to raise awareness, especially amongst poor in rural communities so that they can report into SAVAERS. We’re very appreciative on the left there Dr. Tess Lawrie uh, endorsement of SAVAERS last year. Thank you very much. And on the right Dr. EV Rapiti was very active in creating awareness content and always encourages people. As you can see at the bottom there to report side-effects on SAVAERS. Very happy to also share that SAVAERS did a presentation to the cases in KwaZulu-Natal parliament on the 26th of January here in South Africa. And we focused on efficacy, safety, necessity, and affordability, the presentation was met with applause and the honorable premier made a ruling that a [01:24:00] debate would be called for, with anyone that disagrees or would like to oppose the information that we presented. Of course, our committee is very interested in doing presentations anyway, any parliament to any organization and with any media platform, I must of course highlight the work, of hope for humanity, a magnificent group of community and healthy leading activists here in South Africa who have assisted us to put up billboards around the country, translated into different languages, as well as digital screens, public transport nodes, so that more people know that exists and they use their right to, to report and create more awareness. Again, you can see objectives, health, transparency, and accountability. These are some of the organizations, some of the many organizations of course, um, that our friends allies and partners with SAVAERS were very grateful for that. Uh, this was the understanding of Vaccine [01:25:00] Causation Conference that, um, you would have hopefully watched, but the videos will be coming up soon on the World Council for Health website. Um, SAVAERS did present at this conference and we look forward to engaging in more, uh, more events, uh, around this topic of causation and advocacy through the data and also solidarity. And of course, if you would like to support SAVAERS you can email [email protected] that’s, uh, reports are being made to the website, SAVAERS.co.data. You can also view a downloadable data where remember the data is currently being updated and the collated results between the older form and the new one will be up shortly. Um, and if you, uh, as a country or organization would like assistance in setting up your own alternative system, please feel free to contact us. We have been contacted by another African country, uh, that we are working with to set up their own system. At this point, I must add that [01:26:00] there are numerous, uh, WhatsApp and Telegram groups, for example, that exists, which is important for people to have a space, to vent with some basic data to be collected. But we do encourage people to report in South Africa, to SAVAERS it is the system. It has an ecosystem, um, a vision, it has objectives, and it is certainly showing the results. We also plan on doing road shows around the country, particularly in our poor and rural communities. And there of course we will need to translate, uh, flyers and we’ll need to teach young people in communities, how to help the elders to report. So lots of plans ahead of us. Um, and if you have any questions or if you would like assistance in setting up a system and alternative reporting system in your country, please do let us know. I must mention that SAPRA, which is the regulatory authority in South Africa did reach out to SAVAERS wanting to collaborate. Uh, this was a good sign and after much discussion and discussion, we did reach out to them and say, well, for us to have that discussion, we need to [01:27:00] understand what ideas we have on collaboration. Unfortunately, we haven’t heard from them since, but it is important to have an alternative to the government, uh, reporting system. And so that is where SAVAERS comes in. And again, any other organization requiring assistance from THJ uh, in terms of SAVAERS-like system is welcome to contact us. So that brings me to the end of the presentation. Uh, I’ve tried to keep it as brief as possible, mindful of time sensitivity. If anyone has any questions, please let me know. I’d be happy to accommodate your comments, your questions, and your ideas back to you. Um, Maria! Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Hi, Shabnam. Thank you so much. Um, what a great, what a great thing. Um, the SAVAERS. We have some of the questions in our chat. Sorry I have a three year old son that is still awake and just entered the room, but this is real life. So, um, [01:28:00] okay. So we have one question here, um, from, uh, Fahrie Hassan, “Of course, a major problem in South Africa is the lack of official adverse reporting systems in South Africa, noting also that the organizations responsible for collating, um, uh, collecting the data such as SAPHRA, um, national health service, are all captured. So vaccine injuries, injured victims get little assistance from the officialdom. Is that right?” Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: This is absolutely correct. And I can lead you to a question within the Typeform that establishes what kind of support people are receiving from the officials designated to do so. So I’m speaking from a position of the data. We do ask how many days of work people have missed. We ask what effect has the injection experience had on the vaccinated persons life. And we ask, did you contact SAPHRA, the department of health, [01:29:00] the injection manufacturer, or anyone else who’s relevant to your experience and what happened. And most people say, no, we haven’t. And that’s because people don’t think anything will happen. Um, others have said yes, but they haven’t been contacted since, um, or they’re too sick to actually report. Uh, somebody says not answering the phones, I will try with emails, so certainly there is a lack of response from the officials. And that is also why it’s incredibly important for us to have an alternative reporting system. So thank you for that, Fahrie and thank you for your support of SAVAERS. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: I can give back a compliment from Fahrie, “Excellent, proud to be part of this initiative and having such a wonderful person, such as the Shabnam leading the way. So this is, uh, from [inaudible] the thing is, um, we have other questions and comments and so many problems, uh, all, uh, from all of the people around the world, say how great [01:30:00] this idea is to put your own VAERS system for your own country. Um, in, in, uh, in the public, that is really important. And we have here, um, another question, um, “As we are still in a trial shouldn’t we expect the collection of the data, Shabnam, just lifted from each injected person. A simple app would do, would have one says one of the people here. Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Right, let me just read the question, Maria. As we are still in the trial, shouldn’t we expect the collection of data enlisted from each injected person, as simple as do, would have done. Uh, so Christophe, if you’re suggesting that we create a simple app, this is also in the working, uh, of course it requires resources and funding to do a lot of what it is that we do. Um, and we have plans in phase two and phase three, uh, to be able to, um, do more for SAVAERS and more so for the survivors, the victims, and those who support them. I also [01:31:00] wanted to mention that we are collecting data on batches. So we’re asking those who report to tell us about their batches so that we were able to track the adverse events versus the batch numbers. Uh, and we’ve also asked interestingly, what outcome would the vaccinated person like to see after their experience, uh, 71% say I want the facts about treatments to be known so that people have access and options. 56% “I just want honest answers”, 43% commission of inquiry into vaccine adverse effects and censorship, 31% compensation for pain and suffering 19%, I need my bills paid 16%, I want an apology from the stakeholders or decision-makers 13%, I want to sue/ open a criminal case, 2.7% I lost my job, a nice compensation, but remember the under-reporting factor of 31 at least. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Yeah. Uh, thanks. Thank you so much, Shabnam. There is another question from Mark, um, concerning the 31, [01:32:00] 31 times under the reporting. And, um, Mark says, um, Jessica Rose said, Rose said 31 times underreporting. Is that number specific to the US VAERS I think in Canada it would be many times higher. What’s hard to calculate. Canada has a government driven industrial cover-up of deaths and harm from these injections. Well, beyond the criminal line. Alternative reporting systems like SAVAERS are the key. Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Absolutely. And of course we’d have to utilize the methodology and the formula that Jessica uses, which is based on expected adverse effects versus observed adverse effects, and then apply them per country using for example, SAVAERs data, but remembering we’re dealing with particular socioeconomic circumstances, which would inflate that number of 31,, um, exponentially, I would think. And I’m certainly going to be discussing that with Jessica. How do we factor in socioeconomic conditions when we’re looking at the under-reporting factor? Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Thank you so much. Um, Dear [01:33:00] Shabnam,, I think there are no more questions in the chat, if so, maybe you have a look by your own here Shabnam, and I think as you’re used to host or cohost or meetings, I think. We have all the questions answered from you now. Thank you so much. Brilliant work, keep up the good work and we’re, um, we’re really proud of. Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thanks very much, Maria. And I just want to add that if you, as a country or an organization wants to set up an alternative system, hopefully it needs to be one system. So there is no dilution and duplication, right? We need it all in one system. Remember you need to ask a question about education. Did the vaccinated person receive enough information about the ingredients negative effects and what to do, uh, in our data, 35%, they absolutely did not. And we also need to ask that you sign an indemnity form. Was it explained in the language you understand, and were you given a copy of the form and here 72% of people say, no, it’s important to think about the questions within the context of your country. And again, a THG [01:34:00] and SAVAERS are available to assist anyone who requires it. Thank you very much for this opportunity to present to the World Council for Health General Assembly. Thank you, Shabnam. Uh, your work is very important and thank you and your team for putting it together. A lot of people who have had adverse reactions feel like they don’t have a voice. And the work that you guys are doing is very, very important. So thank you for sharing it with us. Thank you for, to our speakers that we had today. If you please could put your information in the chat again. So the ones who would like to get in touch with you directly, they know how to find you. Matters Arising — Dr. Katarina Lindley: And next, uh, seems like the meeting is going so well. We’re going to matters arising. And our first speaker for the matters arising around the world is going to be our own Jennifer, uh, from Canada to give us a little bit of an update on what’s going on in Canada with trackers and everything else. Dr. Jennifer Hibberd: Welcome, Jennifer. Thanks Kat, [01:35:00] uh, in Canada, we still have, uh, truckers convoys going through different, different cities. They might only be there for a day, but they are moving through there in Ottawa. Um, it’s getting a little bit more difficult for the truckers themselves. Understand the police are saying that they will ticket anybody that gives them any food or water. So, uh, they’re trying to, uh, start them out of there I guess, and get them to move on. So, um, that’s really the status right now. I know that it’s created a lot of stir all over the world and these type of convoys are going on in many countries as they are happening. For instance, we had one here in Toronto and it wasn’t just in Toronto. It was in communities all over the place, uh, the same day and carrying on still. So, um, the truckers rally in Toronto, did get broken up after about a day, but the fact that they just got there and it was a good move. So, um, this is still happening everywhere. I know. Maria, [01:36:00] would you like to talk a little bit about what’s going on? Uh, because you were involved in, certainly know a lot about what’s happening in Europe. Thank you, Maria. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Yeah, thank you so much for the update from Canada. Thank you. Um, we are really proud of the trackers in Canada. I think all the people around the world and looking to Canada, and we really appreciate that there are so many trackers throughout the world who, you know, did the same and, um, form big convoys to major cities. The same is happening here in Austria. So on the 11th, Friday, 11th of February, they will, um, be, there will be a big, um, freedom con boy, um, in Vienna. And, um, they will, you know, come to the inner city of Vienna trucks and, um, lots of, you know, other big vehicles and cars and they will all come to the inner city of Vienna looking forward to that there will be a stage or a truck stage, and I was asked to speak there. So I’m really looking forward to go there. And, um, on the 14th of [01:37:00] February, um, the big, um, freedom convoy for Europe asks truckers from around Europe to come to Brussels. So I think there will be hundreds and thousands of trucks heading towards Brussel’s in the beginning of next week. And I hope we get an update from there next week in our meeting. And, um, of course, um, there are so many other great things going on and, um, I really appreciate if we get, uh, videos, um, or if you like, uh, Jennifer share videos from Canada, that was great to see how, uh, the truckers in Toronto went on. So we all are sending together with the truckers. We thank the truckers and, um, you know, we are in this together and I think this is really a big message that comes from all around the world. And, um, if I can just use this as an opportunity to talk about the Europe for freedom rally that I organized for the inner city of Vienna on Sunday, the 27th of February. [01:38:00] So if you’re listening from all around Europe or from all around the world, and you are happy with, uh, coming to Austria on the 27th of February, we will have a really big rally in the inner city. We have great speakers from around the world. We have speakers via video wall and video messages, and we are really looking for what to do this whole big rally in of course, collaboration with the World Council for Health and please, we sent a sign from Austria, as you know, we are a democratic state who has the mandatory vaccination, um, since the 1st of February. And we are fighting on this wall on scientific nonsense and we will win, I’m sure. Thank you. Dr. Katarina Lindley: Thank you, Maria for that update. Laura Anderson – Channel Island Intergrative Health Alliance update — Dr. Katarina Lindley: Next, we have Laura Anderson from the, uh, the Channel Island Integrative Health Alliance. Laura Anderson: Hello. Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. Hello. How are you? You can hear me. Okay. So, um, first of all, [01:39:00] very, uh, big thank you for inviting me. I’ve literally just jumped in because we’ve literally just joined today. So it’s all a little bit sort of, um, uh, flying by the seat of- for me. But, uh, we were very honored to have Tess Lawrie on our island here of Guernsey last week. Just to give you a little bit of background during, this is probably, if you look at the world map, you might struggle to find it. It’s so tiny. Um, it’s a population of 65,000 people. We, at one point during the pandemic were sort of internationally regarded because we were COVID free. And, um, our head of public health was given an [inaudible] on her, um, her guidance through that period of time to, to give us that, um, rating, if you like, but what it then did was it led, um, our very trusting population towards the vaccine. So we now have probably about 90% of our [01:40:00] population vaccinated. So the CIIHA group is a group, all cardiologists, um, research doctors, analysts, I’m their spokesperson. And, um, we are really gathering an awful lot of data right now on vaccine injury and, well, there’s just so much of it. Um, so we kind of take the view about if we can prove it here, we can prove anywhere. So it’s almost like, as a 65,000 person population, it’s almost like an actual trial. So that’s why we’re gathering quite a lot of interest here. That’s why Tess came to join us last week. We had Dr. Roth here for our previous conversation. We do public events. I coordinate them, I put them together. We had Oracle films came over to film it um, we had the ex uh, [01:41:00] England football player who’s actually from here, uh, Matt Le Tissier who’s been speaking very publicly about vaccine injury in, uh, footballers and athletes. He came to talk to the 400 or so people that were there at the event and obviously it was live streamed. And I think, uh, Tess was saying we’ve had a pretty good, it were about 18,000 people who viewed it, the last time she updated me. So it’s an interesting situation we have here. We’re very small, but I kind of feel we might, it’s like a little bit of a spotlight. We can use it to extend out on a global level what is happening. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: Laura, just, just a second, Laura. Um, we really love to see your video, but I think your internet is not working that well. So maybe it works a little bit better if you switch off the video because we can hear it really scratchy noise when you’re talking so maybe it works better?[01:42:00] Laura Anderson: Yes. So sorry, obviously living on a small island we also have the problem our Wifi is just useless. Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: I guess so. Laura Anderson: Um, so yeah, that’s kind of where we are with everything. Um, we had, uh, Peter McCullough came in as a live stream for our event last Wednesday and we also had Dr. Robert Yoho, who I hadn’t encountered before, but he is, um, a big pharma whistleblower. That’s how he describes himself. He was American, he is American, he was surgeon and he, uh, writes publications on the corruption of big pharma. Yeah, that’s, that’s very much it we’re trying to create events which are all encompassing. So we’ll have a, a sort of a heavy, scientific, um, aspect to what we do. Um, our local cardiologist, Dr. Dean Patterson stood up and talked about what he was seeing here on the island. And he interviewed one of the local vaccine injury cases as a young man called Bill [01:43:00] Al Asif who, uh, at 20 had suffered severe myocarditis within 12 hours of his vaccine. So, um, for the public to be watching this sort of thing is very powerful, um, quite heavy material to have for such a vaccinated population. But I would say what is very interesting is there is a great awakening going on here as a lot of people. Now, a lot of discussion within the population about what is being presented to them. And of course, as, as is being evidenced, uh, in the presentation from South Africa a few minutes ago, there are so many people who are being rebuffed and told them that their presentations have nothing to do with the vaccine, but of course, in a small island word travels fast. And, um, I’ve had probably about five or six people contact me [01:44:00] just today saying, well, at Bell’s Palsy or, you know, I’ve had shingles which created, um, it was shingles in the brain actually. So it’s created a perforation in the ear drum and, you know, so, so many unusual presentations, which of course they get batted off with and, um, have nowhere to go with because nobody knows quite how to, to treat them. So, um, I suppose ultimately CIIHA is there, um, as a platform to create, um, as is the, the ambition for the World Council for Health, a future health system, which is all embracing and, uh, that is why it’s just a thrill to be involved with you all and to hear all the wonderful, different sort of domains that you will come from. Um, it’s very greatly appreciated. I don’t know if you, [01:45:00] you probably can’t see cause my, my image is gone, but I’m speaking to you from my Pilates studio. So, you know, I’m a bodyworker um, by daily trade. So. Dr. Katarina Lindley: Thank you, Laura, for sharing that. Uh, I think you’re right. Uh, the data from the islands could be very important because of the circumstances and the number of, uh, people, uh, vaccinated there. So thank you for sharing that with us. Um, are there any other partners that would like to present in, um, matters arising? Dr. Maria Hubmer-Mogg: There are, there are none but just a comment from Tess Lawrie um, she says that, um, Grant says it presents a unique opportunity for us to prove causation. Laura, thank you for your great work in bringing this to light. Thank you, Laura again. Thank you. Dr. Katarina Lindley: Thank you. And so, uh, it looks like our meeting is coming to an end. I would like to, um, thank everyone for joining us for spending these two [01:46:00] hours with us, for our speakers and our coalition partner presenting today. And, uh, as closing, I would like to say that we are funded by the people and we are for the people. So thank you to everyone who has donated so far, and we wouldn’t be able to do our work without your help. So thank you for all you do for us. And for closing, we’re gonna have Shabnam, uh, share another poem with us. Shabnam Palesa Mohamed: Thank you. I think it’s going to be the same poem as earlier because some people might have missed it and it really needs to be absorbed, the message, that is. So this poem, and I don’t know the author yet, but we’ll find out when we share it in our channel is: My brain and heart divorced, a decade ago. Over who was to blame about how big of a mess I’ve become. Eventually they couldn’t be in the same room with each other. Now my heart and head share custody of me. I stay with my brain during the week and my heart gets me on the weekends. They never speak to one another. [01:47:00] Instead they give me the same notes to pass to each other every week. On their notes they send always say the same thing. This is all your fault. On Sundays my heart complains about how my head has led me down in the past and on Wednesday, my head lists all the times my heart has messed things up for me in the future. They blame each other for the stage of my life in a lot of yelling and crying. And so lately I’ve been spending a lot of time with my gut who serves as my unofficial therapist. Most nights I sneak out of the window in my rib cage and slide down my spine and collapse on my gut’s plush leather chair that’s always open for me. And I just sit, sit, sit, sit until the sun comes up. Last evening my gut asked me if I was having a hard time being caught between my heart and my. I nodded. I said, I didn’t know if I could live with either one of them anymore. My heart is always stared about [01:48:00] something that happened yesterday, but my head is always worried about something that may happen tomorrow. I lamented. My gut squeeze my hand. I just can’t live with my mistakes of the past or my anxiety about the future. I sighed my guts smiled and said, in that case, you should go and stay with your lungs for awhile. I was confused. They look in my face, gave it away. If you’re exhausted about your heart’s obsession with the fixed past, and your mind’s focus on the uncertain teacher, your lungs are the perfect place for you. There is no yesterday in your lungs. There is no tomorrow there either. There is only now is only inhale. There is only exhale. There’s only this moment. There is only breath. And in that breath, you can rest while your heart and head work their relationship out. So this morning, while my brain was busy reading the tea leaves. And while my heart was staring at some old photographs, I packed a little bag and [01:49:00] walked to the top of my lungs before I could even knock, she opened the door with a smile. And as a gust of air embraced me, she said, what took you so long? And that’s the poem. And I think it resonates so much with the World Council for Health. If you look at our logo, you can see what it looks both like an apple and a healthy pair of lungs. Thank you for the opportunity to share that poem. Thank you, Shabnam it was a great poem. Thank you so much for sharing and thank you all for coming today and spending your time with us. It’s been wonderful to share, um, this time with you and to learn from our speakers and coalition partners. So thank you all for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. [01:50:00]